The tables are turned as Dave Rossi puts me through the wringer with some probing questions that are a refreshing departure from the typical interview questions about one’s life’s work or position on assorted topics of professional expertise.
Dave does a great job extracting insights that the podcast audience has never heard before. Here are some highlights from our conversation during this episode:
- I feel immense gratitude for growing up during the time that I did. The lack of access to the kind of technology kids have today turned out to be such a wonderful gift, because my friends and I were forced to entertain ourselves. There was no sitting back and watching a few episodes on Netflix or going on YouTube all night. We had to be creative and innovative and make our own fun, while kids today have such easy access to…well, everything. And that unfortunately makes them less curious and less inquisitive, which are two of the biggest indicators of intelligence.
- Dave asks: where does your drive come from? I share that I have learned that I need to be really diligent about making time for downtime. I’ve actually had to work against that go-go-go instinct, and give myself enough time for rest and relaxation.
- Part of my goal with this show is to open up the dialogue beyond the basics of what constitutes “healthy,” as in questions like, what kind of food is best, what workouts are best, etc., and more towards fundamental things that pertain to health and happiness. I’ve noticed that a lot of people who seem to be thriving in major areas of life, like with their career and health, are actually lacking in some other crucial areas (relationships, connection, personal life), perhaps because all that intense focus is only being utilized for material gain and external validation. Clearly, this is a sad reflection of how our culture not only emphasizes success but also seems to suggest that success = happiness.
- Dave asks a great question for us all: is your view of yourself as strong as your inner voice’s ability to restrain itself from sabotaging you?
- I share how I was able to get over myself at a pretty young age, after I rose to the highest heights I could ever dream of, then fell, then rose again, and what that experience taught me.
- Dave gets really personal, asking: what is a piece of you, that you haven’t shared yet? I admit to him that I try not to burden people with my problems and emotions, while also staying authentic to who I am and my story, and I talk a bit about how my relationship with my partner, Mia Moore, has changed my life.
We wrap up with Dave asking me a very thought-provoking question: what advice would I give to an 18-year-old Brad? The answer may surprise you…
Thanks for listening, and stay tuned for my brand-new show with Dave coming next week!
How did Get Over Yourself podcasts begin? [03:56]
Easy access to information now makes us less curious and less inquisitive. [07:26]
Where does Brad’s drive come from that keeps him from enjoying downtime? [10:46]
Dave thinks Brad’s show has changed as Brad has changed. [14:14]
Our culture has put a huge emphasis on go, go, go and do, do, do that it has gotten out of hand. [18:45]
Dave asks what is Brad’s motivation about his podcasts? What is changing in Brad? [20:20]
A person can struggle from success to crashing and back searching for their self-esteem. [24:31]
It’s important to acknowledge your weaknesses and fight this battle every day. [28:20]
It’s not up to me what actually happens so I want to do things that matter to me without the emotion of the outcome. (Dave) [35:26]
Make the most of every single day because there is no guarantee of tomorrow anyway. [36:48]
Parents: You can talk to your kids if they are willing to listen and set an example but you can’t determine their destiny. [40:20]
Is your view of yourself as strong as your inner voice’s ability to restrain itself from sabotaging you? [ 41:57]
Brad doesn’t easily reveal his inner self as Dave probes him. [47:52]
What advice would Brad give 18-year-old Brad? [53:15]
You can keep things fresh and keep things going. [57:52]
Everything we do is simply a pursuit of a hormonal experience. [59:29]
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Get Over Yourself Podcast
Brad (45s): Hey, it’s Brad Kearns.to Introduce our interview guest Brad Kearns. Brad (1m 40s): Oh my gosh. Should I even be doing this show? It’s from our main man, Dave Rossi, frequent get over yourself podcast guest. And this time he decides to turn the tables and become the interviewer and put me on the spot. And we had a wonderful conversation. Very interesting. He asked deep probing questions, like a skilled interviewer, uncovering exciting new insights. We talked a bit about the podcast and how I got started and my background doing this fun health and fitness writing and podcasting. Brad (2m 19s): So hopefully you enjoy the show at the end. He puts me in a corner and asked me some really challenging questions and I’m kind of stumped. I think you’re going to enjoy that exchange and we actually pick that up and move it into my interview with him. We get back into the, the last question he asked me about, I think it was something like, what am I still not revealing entirely to my audience? And I’m like, I don’t know. Then when I thought about it some more, I came up with an interesting answer that we dig into on my show with Dave Rossi. Brad (2m 52s): So yeah, it kinda leaves you with a cliffhanger ending. What is Brad Kearns hiding behind this microphone? Enjoy the show with our special guest interviewer, Dave Rossi, author of The Imperative Habit. Please go to Amazon and grab that book. It is fantastic. It’ll change your life. And also watch him on Instagram because he puts up nice little quotes and tidbits. That’ll entice you to read the whole book, but you can have some really fun takeaways every single day, inspiration from what Dave’s doing in his life. Brad (3m 25s): Here we go, Dave Rossi. We are back together this time on the zoom and that’s okay, but we’ve had some great visits this year, talking for hours and hours about the important matters of the day. And Oh my gosh, it’s really fun to connect. And we thought we’d do some unique show formats, particularly with the idea of turning the tables and having you the main man, the, the guests with the, with the motor that won’t quit turn into the interviewer. Brad (3m 56s): And then you can ask me questions and, you know, turn, turn the poison onto me since I’ve been inflicting it on all my guests so far. Dave (4m 42s): I love that format. And as what’s funny is, you know, we can tell your listeners that even before we hit start with this, we just started going off about topics and things. And I’m like, stop, stop. We have to get this and build this cause this is great, great stuff. And what we’re talking about was actually one of my second questions was about your podcast, how it came to be, you know, there’s a lot of followup questions about your podcast, but I think your listeners really should know. How did it get over yourself with Brad Kearns really start? And what does it mean to you? Brad (4m 42s): Oh my gosh. Thank you for that opening. You know, I’ve been doing podcasting since early, early in the advent of the medium back in 2012 or 2013, we launched The Primal Blueprint Podcast. Mark Sisson and I just were sitting around realizing that this podcast thing was happening and you hear about it and you know, then you go on your phone and figure out how to download a podcast. And so we decided to throw our hat in the ring. We didn’t really have a full commitment to it cause we were so busy doing other stuff like writing books and putting on retreats and developing online educational courses. Brad (5m 16s): So I didn’t realize the tremendous power for it to explode like it has today. And I’m glad to be on board. I launched the, Get Over Yourself Podcast in 2018. So that was my, you know, my own venture where I could shape the show and take it where I wanted. I still actually host a show on the Primal Blueprint channel every week. So I’m in the studio a lot, cranking out content. And as a consumer of podcasts, I really, really love it because I’m too busy to sit and read books. Brad (5m 47s): I’m too busy, cranking out books. And I feel like I get sidetracked. If I sit with a stack of books and do quote unquote research, it means I didn’t type any words that day. So I’ve been in like production mode for 12 years straight to where I don’t really have time or energy to sit down and read a book after writing a book all day. And also I’m kind of, I enjoy YouTube and it’s a great medium, but sometimes your brain is a little bit, you know, fatigued to go and sit there and consume a bunch of videos. Brad (6m 19s): But when you can listen to the content and I listened to everything at 1.5 speed, 1.7, five speed, sometimes 2.0 speed because I want to listen to more and more podcasts and keep to my playlist. And so it allows you to consume a lot of content, absorb it in a really effective way to learn. So I listened to a lot of audio books and I listened to a lot of podcasts when I’m out there exercising. And I know there should be time during exercising that you’re just engaging with nature and you’re present and you’re just working on your breathing or something. But I do listen to podcasts when I’m driving or otherwise distracted with a low, a low cognitive tasks like raking the leaves or something. Brad (6m 55s): And so I have a chance to consume more content than I would in a video format, which requires all your time and energy and attention or reading, which requires all your energy and attention where podcasts, you can divert your attention with doing other stuff. Dave (7m 9s): Well, I want to assure you. You can read that. Brad (7m 16s): It says those of you watching on YouTube, you can see it, the listeners, it says speed, please. Dave (7m 19s): Well, you know, what I really got out of your answer was you’re busy. Brad (7m 24s): Like all of us, right? Dave (7m 26s): I mean, I’m, I’m not as busy as say you’re really f*****g busy after listening to that answer, you’re listening to audio books fast. You’re listening to podcasts fast to get more and more information. So what is being left out with all of this business? What’s, what’s missing, what’s the piece of the thing we are sacrificing for all of this other stuff. Brad (7m 46s): Yeah, man. I mean, look, if people of our age can reference a life that did not have hyper-connectivity hyper-connectivity mobile technology and this constant stimulation, the binge watching of television programs. I mean, when I was, you know, in my twenties and wanted to unwind after a tough day of training, we would wait until 9:00 PM. When LA La came on and someone would come over to watch it with us. Cause it was our favorite show and we pop popcorn and sit around and have fun. And you know, that was not quite the same as watching six, six shows in a row on one night and having this constant ability to entertain ourselves now. Brad (8m 25s): And I do feel like there’s a lot of things missing from modern life and the experience that your kids, my kids have compared to what we had, which was, I guess there was more downtime. There was more boredom. There was more obligation to create our own forms of entertainment rather than sit back and watch a show or play a video game or just binge on YouTube all night. And so boy, I mean the experts will a reference how the easy access of information now makes us less curious and less inquisitive. Brad (8m 57s): And those are two of the highest indicators of intelligence is curiosity and inquisitiveness. That’s what makes for an intelligent person. The one that you can sit with on the ski chair lift, and you’re asking him, so where are you from? What do you do? Oh, the South Bay area. Yes. I, I used to work down there myself. Remember the, the, the DeAnza park is that open again. And your, your brain is constantly trying to master new topics of learning with a new person or engaging in conversation about different topics. Brad (9m 28s): And now I can just pick up my phone and say, Hey, Siri, what’s the population of Cupertino, California. The population is 29,750. And it changes things. It changes things. Dave (9m 39s): Well, it sounds like, I mean, your, you get, you gave yourself some advice in that answer, right? I heard you say, Hey, boredom’s good. Looking, searching for curiosity is good. Not being overstimulated and hyperconnectivity is good. And so I kind of heard you say that you actually miss those things, but yet those things are good for you. So what’s the drive for you to miss out on those things? Why are you missing out on these things if you know, it’s good for you? Brad (10m 8s): Well, I’d say that I do a pretty good job of living a more mellow life than maybe I did in the past in other roles. And I have to be focused on the creative side and generating content rather than just being an engager with a live chat and text messaging and email inbox. I have to write books and I have to have something to show for my day. And so I am either in, well, that’s just my focus and my, you know, the highest expression of my talents is to create something rather than just be a player. Brad (10m 45s): And so I, Dave (10m 46s): What that drive comes from, because I think that drive is connected to a drive that you’ve had since the first time I met you talking about leaving your job and accounting and going become a professional athlete. I think I want to know, and I bet you, your listeners want to know where does that drive come from? Because it almost infringes on your inability to follow some advice about some downtime. You’re saying you want to create great content and yet you’re creating great content at the expense of your own advice that maybe a little bit of boredom and a little bit of downtime. Dave (11m 18s): Where does that drive come from? Brad (11m 20s): Yeah, that’s a good one. I think I’m probably a huge percentage of people listening can relate to having that type A highly motivated goal oriented, driven disposition. And I can definitely identify with that, but I’ve worked really hard starting back when I was an athlete to tone that down and allow myself to relax more and engage with nature more and play with my dogs and do things, physical exercise and things like that, that kind of balance this obsession with your keyboard and cranking away and doing as much as possible and squeezing every second out of the day. Brad (12m 1s): And you hear a podcast from Elon Musk and he says, no one will get anything truly great accomplished unless they work 20 hours a day and b******t like that, that were fed into our brain. These days, especially young people are getting their brains program that, you know, you have to be robotic in your, in your productivity. Otherwise you can’t live a happy life. And I think your work is kind of a Testament to encouraging people to second guess the rat race mindset, which is so harmful on so many levels. So I’m working hard to do it. And I’ve created a, you know, optimized lifestyle for myself where I’m an entrepreneur. Brad (12m 35s): I answer only to myself. I keep my own hours. I can goof around for many hours during the day, any time I want, but then you know, that little voice inside the one that Dave Rossi has encouraged me to turn off or to temper, it’s always gonna be there. Like, what the hell did you do today? You lose her and why are your peers making more income than you or whatever it is that you know, we want to have that FOMO mindset kicked back into the rat race mindset back. Dave (13m 21s): Even you having fun is, is intense. I mean, you’re like, couldn’t eat chocolate. It’s still stretch at the same time. You know, we’re going to have a scene and you’re going to stretch standing in line. I mean, so even, even, you know, your downtime is, is layered with, with benefits for your, for yourself, man, you’re, Brad (14m 12s): I’m getting a, I’m getting free therapy advice too, because when you reflect that back at me, I have to acknowledge that. And so I, I I’m like, you know, trying to create this image of myself, this self image, that I’m a really chill guy and I like to relax and take it easy, but you know what, I’m always doing something. Other people say that to me too. Like, you’re always on the go. My mom says you should take it easy more. And I’m like, I take it easy all the time. I goof off for hours every single day. But that guy thing off that might be a workout and then back to work and then doing another fun workout, like speed golf. And I’m thinking, wow, what a great day I had all this recreational opportunities, but it was it wasn’t, I’m not the guy that sits on the back porch and sips of beer and wants to talk for three hours about, you know, nuanced topics. I’d rather get back to my email inbox. Dave (14m 14s): Yeah. Well, I think I want to have two, two follow up questions with that. I think when people in general had said that about me, although again, people like most people think I’m overly motivated and people like me think you’re or really motivated beyond me. And I usually answer it and tell people I just have a lot to do. And I, and I hear you of saying that too, but I actually think you’re you just answered and tell me if this is right. I think your show has changed as you have changed. Dave (14m 46s): I think you have a lot of commitment to your listeners. I think you started your show with this go go mindset and micro workouts, jogging, junk jogging, morning routines, cold exposure, carnivore diets, super foods, all of this stuff. And then you layer on all these crazy, crazy, personal goals of being the best in the world. And you crop, you try and it’s like super crazy hard stuff like high jumping, like high jumps. I mean, that’s like, like not trying to be human. Some of us run cause humans actually do run, but very few humans actually jump. Dave (15m 19s): So this is, this is all a whole weird thing. But do you think your show has changed since you started it with this mindset of trying to tone back a little bit, trying to add that mental relaxation piece if you had on different guests or different interests of yours because of that effort in you? Brad (15m 41s): Yeah. You know, I think we’ve been so deep into this progressive health scene, this ancestral health scene for me for the last 12 years, like living and breathing, the dietary breaking science and the amazing insights that the standard American diet has been a disaster. And that actually eating fat is good for you. And the, you know, the carbs are the true enemy, the processed carbs, and then the Quito craze comes on and now the carnivore eating pattern is a big thing. Brad (16m 11s): And when you get so deep into it, I think you have the potential to kind of, you know, tip over the boundary of just a healthy, balanced approach to life. And I don’t want to, I think it’s important to be extreme in your quest for optimum health because the modern life is so disastrously unhealthy, but you can definitely overdo it or over obsess about these things. So I think part of my goal with the show is to open up the content and the dialogue to more than just talking about at what foods are the best to eat every single week and even what workouts are the best to do and get obsessed with your, your training schedule and the different heart rates that you use and the different strength training techniques. Brad (16m 54s): So that’s why I’ve had people like you on was one of the most downloaded shows of all time. This Dave Rossi guy talking about the, the, the, the habit forming and reprogramming your brain and looking at things differently. Dr. John Gray men are from Mars. Women are from Venus, was one of the most popular shows. And this is, you know, talking about how not to be an a*****e to your girlfriend or wife. It has nothing to do with what food choices you made, but sometimes those people that are highly optimized in every single way, they’re high income earners that are also fit. Brad (17m 26s): on They’re at the gym, working out in between making a bunch of money at their business. And everything seems to be, they speed off and they’re a sports car, but they have so many deficiencies at other levels, possibly on account of that crazy driven personality style. So I learned, you know, Dave, back when I was an athlete, that if I were going overboard with my competitive intensity, I would literally get my ass kicked on the race course because I would overdo it. So there was a point where, Hey, man, you got to chill and unplug that plug and learn how to, you know, unwind and be a complete person. Brad (17m 59s): And that will in fact, help you become a better peak performer when it’s time to bear down and do the best you can and your career ambitions or whatever it is. Dave (18m 9s): So you’re saying balance actually balance, including not getting in an argument with your girlfriend or spouse. That kind of balance helps performance. Brad (18m 45s): Yeah. And I think now finally, we’re kind of peeling past the curtain and seeing for real what’s going on in celebrity culture. And we have thinkers that have now been granted a platform and a voice to offer up counter opinions to this nonsense and this cultural programming that money equals happiness. And whoever works the hardest and sells the most records or what that, Dave (18m 47s): or success equals happiness. Brad (18m 49s): I mean, you know, all we’ve done is fantasize with these great athletes, making their millions of dollars and the, the entertainers, the celebrities, the performers. And of course the, the leaders of business have been revered as the most important successful, and you know, bad-ass people in society. And now we can finally kind of unwind that and realize that, Hey, if you’re going to be a surf instructor in Costa Rica for the next four years instead of four months, cause you liked it and he kept going, there’s nothing wrong with that. Brad (19m 20s): World has enough surf instructors, but they also have enough, you know, medical school students and lawyers and venture capitalists. And everything’s fine. So you can do what you want with your life and try to just make a contribution, a positive contribution to the planet. And that might be, you know, teaching people how to serve for $24 on the beach in Costa Rica. And I try to give this message to my kids because it serves as a counter to all that cultural programming. When, you know, you meet a young kid who’s college age, like my son and my daughter and an adult will say, Oh, so what are you studying? Brad (19m 52s): What’s your major? Oh, what are you going to do with that? Oh, do you plan to go to graduate school? Oh, that’s impressive. Isn’t that interesting? You know, and we’re all measured and judged by what we accomplished rather than saying, Oh, so how was it down there on the beach in Costa Rica? Did you see any turtles? You know, that kind of stuff is, is put on the back burner in favor of go, go, go. How many likes do you have and how many followers do you have on your social media and all that stuff that can be extremely harmful when we let it get out of hand and it has gotten out of hand. Dave (20m 20s): Well, and I think there’s a good point and I want to talk and I, and I don’t want to describe those points. I want to weave those points into you because I want to talk about Brad Kearns in this show. I have kept two people off to your show and I literally have people come up to me and say, Missoula, what’s for lunch and they’ll go, Oh, Brad Kearns says, and they’ll all of a sudden, no microphone, you know, Hey, and I want to know, and I, and I, and I don’t, I’m not sure if it got an answer to my question that is, does your show change your topics? Dave (20m 50s): I think you said yes, but I want to dive more into it with what you’re interested in, what you are now finding as, as important for people to listen to. Cause you’re kind of out there investigating this. You’re kind of out there on the frontline, jumping in cold water, eating weird s**t, eating cow balls and cow intestines. And you’re out there saying, look, I’ve tried this, I’ve tested this, I’ve researched this and do it. So, so your motivation for the show, I want to hear about that, your motivation about what you get out there to people. What is it? Dave (21m 21s): Is it changing with you? What are the factors with that? Brad (21m 24s): Yes. Thank you for going for the answer because Brad Kearns is very skilled at just taking us off onto a different tangent, but you know what?20 That’s a great question. I think other podcast hosts can kind of reflect on this too, because a podcast is the epitome of niche programming, right? It’s not ABC prime time where we have this sit-com and that sitcom and you’re forced to watch it. So you really are obligated to be honest, authentic, vulnerable with putting yourself out there when you’re recording and interviewing people and trying to create content. Brad (22m 1s): And so it has kind of evolved more to my own personal interests and the guests that I choose and the stuff that I talk about on my breather shows because my format is unique. If you haven’t listened to it before people, I mix the traditional long form interview. Like when I sit down with Dave Rossi for an hour and talk to you about your work and your opinions. And then in between that, I publish two shows a week. It’s called a breather show where I am just recording about a topic of interest, like an insight that I pulled from a book. So I’ll do a summary points from a great book that I just listened to or read. Brad (22m 35s): So when I have a chance to talk and express my opinion, it’s definitely, you know, framed by what’s of interest to me currently. And that’s, I think, you know, the, you want to follow me and you want to get interested in it and it appeals to you. That’s great. And I’m kind of realizing that I’m a male in the, whatever they call the middle age groups, right? I’m 55 years old and I still want to be fit healthy and happy pursue competitive goals. Brad (23m 5s): So these are the driving interest in my own personal life. And it seems like the content is trending in that direction. Not that it won’t appeal to a female of 35 who might have similar goals that you don’t want to, you know, age accelerate your aging process with overly stressful lifestyle practices. So we might have a connection in some way, but mainly it’s me without any gloss over or airbrushing. And that’s different than mainstream media, because we don’t know who these puppets are that are talking on the news every night. Brad (23m 36s): And we don’t know what they’re like and what their interests are. They’re just kind of filling the, you know, in many cases they’re just kind of filling the suit and, you know, creating an image that might not be anything that’s authentic. Dave (23m 49s): Yeah. Well, a couple of things you said, you talked about being vulnerable in your podcast, but you also talked about the, this goal oriented type a person that you are. And I want to blend those because I get the feeling a lot in your audiences type A is a lot of people that follow Sisson and you, because of the athletic goals, the drive, the Olympic kind of level of world champion kind of level people that you both are. And they’re probably looking for these tips and these goals. Dave (24m 20s): Is that drive coming from a feeling of trying to be accepted, or is that drive coming from a feeling of just f*****g loving what I’m doing or combination of both? Brad (24m 31s): Well, I’ve worked so hard in my adult life to get away from that impure motivational force. That’s, you know, oftentimes associated with type A like the, the guy who was shunned in high school is now the guy driving around with the convertible and, you know, getting his, you know, you know, superficial accomplishments to, to make up for that lack of self esteem, Dave (25m 1s): The trophies that we adorn our walls with that have no steps. Brad (25m 5s): Yeah. Yeah. And so in my case, Dave, you know, I was, you know, thrust into this career as a professional athlete at a very young age. And when I was 21 years old, I upset the two top ranked athletes in the world as a complete nobody that no one had ever heard of or paid any attention to. And all of a sudden I was on the cover of the magazine and was thrust into this high profile career. And I had to adjust to that. And that’s why the title of my podcast is get over yourself is because, you know, I could think I was hot s**t for a while until the very next race when someone kicked my butt and I started to struggle and go into a tailspin when just months before I was on top of the world. Brad (25m 45s): So when you have that topsy turvy type of lifestyle and the same thing I know from your book and your description of losing your business empire and your, the wealth that you would accumulate and having to start over and recalibrate everything, the same thing I would say we can all relate to in some way, but for me, I think it was pretty dramatic and extreme. Those lessons that I learned as an athlete were extremely humbling. So being on top and then struggling at a level of intensity that few people can relate to, if they’re just in a career working for the post office or in the high rise building, you know, moving up from manager to partner. Brad (26m 23s): So I, I kinda got bumped around by life. And then I had to wake up one day and realize that, you know, all we have is now appreciating the process and cultivating and a pure love for what you’re doing. I really carved my own path and kind of, you know, made, made these life decisions that really didn’t beholden me any outer force. And so I’m just kind of doing my thing, trying to enjoy myself, get over myself and then, you know, make that contribution by sharing the message and encouraging other people to say, you know, f**k it, just go for it, whatever it is. Brad (26m 56s): And, you know, in my case, it was like quitting this promising lucrative career path and accounting to try my hand at the professional racing circuit and kind of keeping those ideals in place even today, when, you know, I’ve made decisions that are high risk and a low expectation of consistency or predictability. Dave (27m 18s): So, so what I hear you saying that the answer to that question, and I want to get this for your listeners is that it started out your motivation started out really as a passion, just loving what you’re doing, leaving accounting for passion, beating other racers for passion, not accolades, but then your career turned into accolades where you became knocked down at times. And of course loss is always relative, but I hear you, maybe you got knocked down in the sports or in an age related, maybe not that you’re old, but maybe for your, for your competition, it was, was humbling. Dave (27m 53s): And maybe there was some motivation related to, I want adequacy back. I want relevance back. I want those accolades. And now you’re at the point where you’re, you’re cycling back up again to the love and passion. And I want to give my knowledge to my listeners because of passion no longer because of adequacy or relevancy. Is that, is that how you put it? Brad (28m 20s): That’s really well said. And I think probably everybody can relate to this battle that goes on in our mind where we have these insecurities, the FOMO mindset, fear of missing out. And I, I’m not going to conclude that Brad Kearns is highly evolved and completely free of any insecurities and inadequacies, things like that, because I think it’s really important to acknowledge your weaknesses and fight this battle every single day. So I want to make sure every single day that my motivation is pure. Brad (28m 51s): My heart is in the right place because it’s super easy to get mold into a money making scheme opportunity. And yes, it sounds compelling. I want to double my money and whatever I’m making up, that example is for like, you know, exercising to an extreme, because you have an athletic goal and you, you love it so much and you’re passionate about it. And then you overdo it. You kind of get into that, you know, the dopamine addiction, where you want those instant gratification highs every single day, and you have to be, you know, rushing through life and going for a, you know, a new high every single day. Brad (29m 27s): Otherwise you’re not happy or not content. So it’s, it’s a battle every time. And I think one example that comes up is like, I love my athletic training goals so much, but I still have a tendency to overdo it. Despite me standing here as a knowledge authority on how to balance stress and rest and training. And I’ve been messed up my knee yesterday, cause I did too many high jumping practices, but I was having so much fun at the time. I forgot I was 55 years old and you know, have certain limitations with what I can do. So now my tails between my legs, once again, and it’s time to recalibrate, reevaluate my priorities and regulate my emotional intensity and things like that. Dave (30m 7s): Well, I just think he gave some more advice out when you said that you overdid it again. And before that answer, you said you’re having to regulate and you’re having to monitor. And we all can’t eradicate that. I mean, for me, the complete eradication of that intensity is the definition of enlightenment, which is a very, very difficult thing to reach lots and lots of practice decades of practice for most, if not even achievable. But what I hear you saying is, Hey, I’m, I’m fighting the good fight every day between over-training and about intensity and what I need to do and love for my goal, but also tempering the love for my goal to not overtrain and go hurt my knee. Dave (30m 52s): I got to be realistic about how I train, because the way I train, how I train is going to make me better than just going balls to the walls and not giving, you know, a nod to that mental logical reasonable choice making process, you needed an overwhelmed with the emotion. That’s kind of what I heard and all that. Brad (31m 13s): Yeah. It’s a tough one. I mean, you talk about in the imperative habit, you’re reading about these topics like enlightenment and you know, when I’m driving to the, the track to do a workout, that’s going to be involving pain and suffering. But I know the payoff is wonderful afterward and I’m happy doing it. But sometimes you wonder, like, what am I doing instead of just sitting with my legs crossed and doing breathing, and just enjoying the sun shining on my body without having to have an athletic goal or have to go beat myself up with another hard workout and same with, you know, we’ve talked about this for hours. Brad (31m 50s): I wish the listeners could get some of that sound bites from the car ride, but you know, this pursuit of economic affluence, financial security, these things are of great importance in my life at this age. And I have a lot of concerns, worries, pressures, all these things that you tried to talk me out of. And it was a really a wonderful conversation. Cause it causes you to second guess all these things that were programmed to believe that you gotta build up your portfolio and your 401k and you better do this and you better do that and you better not fall behind and you better take advantage of every opportunity. Brad (32m 26s): And you know, this is a daily war with me because sometimes I don’t give a crap and I’d rather spend the whole day hiking in the forest. And then you come back and the, the guy on your shoulder taps, you gently and says, Hey man, what f**k did you do today? Did you, how many pages of the book did you write? Oh yeah, I’m in a high pressure career with a lot of expectations of people counting on me. I got to reimburse into the rat race and unwind all that airy fairy talk that I gave myself when I was sitting by the stream. Dave (32m 55s): And you know, a lot of people will have those debates, a lot of people. And I’m sure a lot of your listeners that maybe defines the type personality. So let’s talk about that a little bit. So where I’m coming from in that car ride was the decision making process or the motivation based process are spiritual rules, not monetary or success driven rules. And w what I, what I’m getting from you is that you have an internal debate in your mind about, yeah. Dave (33m 29s): Okay, cool. I wanna believe Dave, and maybe a lot of the other guests I’ve had on my show with these spiritual related rules or spiritual related goals, but m**********r, I got a guy on my shoulder saying you got to do this. What did you do today? You get to sit in the sun all day. So how, what percentage of your life, how has that we’re going with you? How much you saying, okay, I’m going to follow the spiritual rule and how much of you is like, I can’t listen to that right now. I need to get back to the path. I need to get back to making butter, nut butter and getting my ancestral vitamins, which I love those vitamins, by the way, I’m not a big vitamin person. Dave (34m 5s): And I do, I did actually feel a lot better with those vitamins. But anyway, the point is, where are you with that debate? How far are you down that path? Brad (34m 12s): Well, what was so great was I turned the, I turned the weapon back on you. And I said, look, man, what about you? You were in this high PR high stress construction career. You got, you know, stuff thrown at you every single day. How can you adhere to these principles when you’re deeply immersed in a project that’s gone wrong. Remember you told me about the guy that didn’t turn his cabinets in on time, everyone was waiting. The cabinets had to come in and this guy flaked, and you know, what about these busy lifestyle? Dave (34m 41s): It was a $25 million house. Brad (34m 45s): So it was a big deal. People. It wasn’t like you explained a way that you could still proceed in competitive, modern world with that grace and with that peaceful mindset. And so I try to remember, you know, these tenants and I’m sure you’ll be able to spout some quotes right off the top of your head, unlike me. But I think the general takeaway for me was that it’s okay to go in there and compete and have even a desire for material success. Brad (35m 18s): As long as I think the, the big picture perspective is there. And, Oh my gosh. Dave (35m 26s): Yeah. So it wasn’t, I want to turn it back on you again, cause this interview is about you. The answer was, it’s not up to me, what happens and, and, and it’s not up to you who wins the race. Yeah. You gotta show up, I get It. And you gotta train. I get it. But ultimately when you show up that morning, the script is already written on, who slept the bass, maybe the number one guy was sick. Maybe you’re sick. Maybe you overtrain. Everything that’s about to happen has already happened. And that is not up to you. Dave (35m 57s): So it’s okay to, like you said, this, this debate in your mind of how much. He can sit in the sun and relax. I’m in Lake Tahoe. And how much of me has to answer the questions of my inner critic saying, I’m saying, what did you do today? My answer always is, it’s not up to me, what actually happens. So I want to do things that matter to me without the emotion of the outcome. And that phrase is not up to me, helps me put that emotion in a box and then make the decisions based on what I want to do, what my goals are. Dave (36m 35s): And what’s important to me. So, but how much of you is, is emerging that way? Where are you in that path of doing that? Right. I know you want to, when they hear, you want to, when I hear the debate, you say you have, where are you in that? How far along are you with that path? Brad (36m 48s): Oh, I’d say I’m doing really well. And it’s one of the great attributes of getting older. There’s a lot of crappy things about getting older. I can get injured more easily during high jump workout, but I feel like I’m gaining a healthy perspective to where I truly understand what things aren’t up to me and then what things I can control and give my best effort at and do it with a, a healthy, a healthy mindset, rather than a mindset of scarcity or nervousness or insecurity that’s putting out into the marketplace when I’m begging you to buy my product or whatever I’m doing. Brad (37m 25s): So I think one thing I referenced in recent times was that helped me gain a, a healthy perspective was saying goodbye to my father in the most graceful and gifted way possible. He lived in 97 years old, which is a nice run. And he had extremely fantastic health for 95 of those years. And then he had a decline that was really quick, which is what we all want, right? We don’t want 10 years of dementia and people caring for you and you not knowing who you are, who I am. Brad (37m 56s): So he had a really quick drop-off where he just started sleeping, more, eating, less, sleeping, more walking, a shorter distance. Cause we got a mountain walk to every day and it used to be around the park a half mile. And then it was around the parking lot. And then it was around the backyard. And so, you know, to see the great life that this guy lived, he was a champion golfer, his whole life and an accomplished surgeon and all these great things and raise five kids. But you know, then it’s time to go at the end and to see that life cycle completed in front of my eyes, I realized like, you know, I’m going to be there someday too. Brad (38m 30s): And if I want to stress my way there and you know, be negative and bring bad energy to my day into other people, I have that choice. I’ve done that on a certain day and a certain time to a certain person and this occasion and that occasion. And I’d rather be, you know, making the most of every single day because there’s no guarantee of tomorrow anyway. And you know, my dad stood for a lot of cool things. He wasn’t, you know, a world famous person that wrote 17 books and was in the, in the movies and all that. Brad (39m 0s): But you know, he cut people open and sewed him up and save their lives. And people were so grateful. They’d come over and, you know, give him a bag of corn that they grew in their backyard and, and things like that, that I grew up with these, these, you know, memories of things like that. And then, yeah, yeah. And he was a quiet understated guy. He never argued with me. He never criticized me. He was never harshly harsh. Excuse me. Dave (39m 27s): You wish he would have? Brad (39m 29s): No. And I feel like just like with coaches that were hands-off that allowed me to progress as an athlete by myself without that hard driving. And I know a lot of people and you’re a football guy, so you probably referenced that coach that really brought out the best in you. But because of my personality style, I’m, you know, I take Gretchen Rubin’s quiz and I’m a rebel tendency. So I like to do things my own way. I don’t like anyone to tell me what to do. I like to figure it out for myself. And my dad probably saw that or is probably his personality too, that he never, you know, enforced his will upon me, but he would lecture me about the importance of getting an education. Brad (40m 6s): And I remember when I was cruising through my crappy public high school in Los Angeles, getting, you know, a two eight is my final GPA and I have at the dinner table, him telling me what a great school Princeton was, which is where he attended. And that the Ivy league was a really great place to pursue a higher education because it opened up a lot of doors because it was very prestigious. And I did there and listen, I’d be like, dad, I’m pulling it to eight at the crappiest high school, taking the easiest classes. I don’t think I’m Princeton material, but you know, he did his best to deliver his message. Brad (40m 39s): And however, it was accepted, you know, that was out of his hands. And I realized that as a parent now, like I’ll spout for a long time and lecture my kids if they’re receptive and willing to listen. But I also know that it’s up to them, man, way more so than I thought, perhaps when my kids were younger. So a little tidbit for the parents out there, it’s really up to you, weighing less than you think. And your job is open doors, be supportive, give unconditional love the world’s a tough place. Anyway, you don’t have to be that tough. And if they’re going to be suited to, if their destiny is to be valedictorian or to be a division one scholarship athlete, they are going to find their way there, no matter what you do and what you say. Brad (41m 20s): And if their destiny is not to be that way. And you’re instead going to bribe a college admissions person to get them in, boy, that’s going to be a much less pleasant road than just sitting back and being that a supportive force and walking your talk. Of course. So that’s the other part. It’s like, whatever I say to my kids, if I’m telling them, Hey, you know, don’t do drugs and don’t drink and drive, blah, blah, blah. I want to stand as a person who let’s say has never done that in my whole life. And they can absorb that message very powerfully. Brad (41m 51s): When I’m looking at him in the eye and saying, you know what? You don’t need to learn the hard way with this stuff. You need to never f*****g do it. Dave (41m 57s): Well, I’ve found that my best parenting has been me being balanced and me being a great person inside and out and can allow me to then be my best parent, you know, or the best parent to my children. And I wrote this quote once, and I want to see if it’s a pertains to you is the view I have of myself as beautiful as the restraint, my inner voices attempt to sabotage it being yourself. So is your view of yourself as strong as your inner voice’s ability to restrain itself from sabotaging you? Brad (42m 40s): ‘Wow. That’s pretty heavy, man. Dave (42m 58s): So are you there? Is your view of yourself high enough, powerful enough, aligned enough or beautiful enough. Do you have a beautiful view of yourself to the point that you can restrain your inner voice from sabotaging you? Are you there? Brad (43m 0s): Oh yes, I am. I will also report that. I have a s**t ton of other issues assorted laundry list, but that’s not my area of struggle and weakness. And I think I attribute that to having a, an idyllic childhood where I didn’t have these traumatic, emotional disturbances and, you know, struggles that so many people report, you know, everything was cool. I had good friends and my parents were awesome and my brothers and sisters were still very close today. So I don’t have a lot to unwind and unprogram. Brad (43m 31s): I have a wonderful partner, Mia Moore, she’s the greatest partner in the world. So I really have nothing to complain about. And I’ve always been that glass half full kind of guy about everything. And then when it comes to like developing that self image and, and escaping the, you know, the forces of the ego that can control your life, I reference my athletic experience so strongly that it helped me escape from that forever. You know, I got over myself when I was a really young guy because I rose to the highest height that I could ever dream of. And then I fell and then I Rose again. Brad (44m 2s): And you realize like, all right, you know, the rest of the world will go on no matter what I do. And no matter who wins this race and, you know, it was, it was great because I can carry these forward today. And even as a parent, I remember, you know, in the early years you get really far into it, you have your peer group, that’s really deep into it. And you go to a gathering of adults and all they’re doing is talking about their kids and their sporting exploits in which teacher they have for fifth grade, who’s stronger in the liberal arts, but the other teacher is stronger in math. Brad (44m 35s): And you’re not sure if your kid’s in the right class and your, your head starts spinning that you get all consumed in this role as a parent. And then at some point you get spit out of that when your kid kind of grows up and learns how to use their middle finger or whatever it is, that turning point, I can reference a few of them with my son, where I trickily caught him in a, a misstatement of where he was late in the hours of the evening. Cause I conspired with another parent and, you know, they did the cross-referencing that I used to do when I was a kid like, Hey, I’m going over to Steve’s house. Brad (45m 6s): And Steve said, Hey, I’m going over to Brad’s house. And so, you know, I challenged him the next day. And I said, dude, so you know, where were you last night? Cause I happened to know that, you know, you didn’t tell me the truth and you know, I got all tough guy and puff my chest out. And I said, why’d you do that? And he goes, Oh, I did it because you wouldn’t have, let me do it. And because you don’t trust me enough, but you should be able to trust me. And I should be able to stay out longer than you think. And I’m like, Oh, okay. And you know, this was a kid who was never any trouble, a straight A student, a champion athlete. Brad (45m 38s): Self-driven self-motivated, I didn’t have to worry about him. And I was doing it just because of cultural programming or something. So from that point forward, I said, okay, here’s a deal. You can tell me where you’re going. So we can know for safety reasons. And I’ll give you way more rope and leeway. And the same thing came when we would go in there and check in with him, whether he did his homework or not. And his pat answer to his mom and I was, I’m getting straight. A’s leave me the F alone right now I’m playing video games. I get to do this. Cause I get to unwind some time. Brad (46m 8s): Let’s talk later when I’m not getting straight A’s anymore. And it’s like, what can you say about that to a kid except for hands-off have fun dinner will be served later. Please do the dishes afterward. Oh, it was great. Great stuff to learn from your kids. Dave (46m 22s): Yeah. Well, I think that’s a good answer. And I think it kind of leads me into maybe one or two of our last questions. One of the things you said earlier was that your show is different in the sense that you’re different than mainstream media in that you don’t know who these people are and you’re really exposing yourself to who you are and what you enjoy, what your experiences are, what your drives are, what your loves are. What have you not shared for us to know who you are? Brad (46m 50s): Oh, Dave Rossi, listen to this guy, people. And I asked you before we went on the air, like, Hey Dave, are you going to do a podcast someday? Or you’re such a natural at it. He was like, add on I’m too busy. But man, I think you’re, I think you’re killing it. I’m, I’m extremely captivated by your interviewing skills and putting me on the spot. Dave (47m 52s): What would I want to know? What do I think others want to know? I’ve listened to your show. And obviously I know you, and I think there’s many, many facets of things that intrigued me. And probably many of the listeners about you, including your drive, including your passion for so many different things like high jumping and speed golfing and chocolate and cold plunging and all this stuff. I mean the list goes, it goes on. And I really respect that passion because I think that’s a real zest to the physical world. And you know, I think that athletics is the ultimate spiritual lessons. So I have a lot of admiration for you, but I still think there’s some pieces are holding back and I might can know what you think. One of those are. You can share with us. Brad (47m 58s): Dang. I, I agree with you. Yeah. I, I’m trying to, I’m trying to think of a good answer, which would first indicate that I was holding something back, right? If I’m trying to craft an answer to this question, I already, I already flunked the question Dave (48m 22s): Or too vulnerable to even share it because you’re not there yet. Cause it might be pretty tough. I mean, there might be some real deep vulnerabilities that are tough to get out and I get that. Brad (48m 25s): Well, I certainly don’t have any deep dark secrets or have some image that I’ve crafted to, you know, hide the truth from the, from the world. But I, I will reference that a lot of times when I hear people open their, their, their diary all the way, it doesn’t really play well with me. Like, you know, the sob stories or the eliciting of sympathy when someone gets on the airwaves and says, yeah, you know, I’m really having a rough time. Brad (48m 57s): I lost my father last month. This is my first show back in the studio. And it’s like, yeah, you know what? There was that first show back in the studio after I lost my father. And a lot of people said, Hey, I’m sorry about you losing your father. And I’m like, what for? He was 97 freaking years old. And he lived 95 awesome years where he was knocking, hitting his ball right at the flag stick until he was 95. And everyone has to go at some point. Yeah. I thought he was going to live to be 107, but he didn’t and, and you know, 97 was pretty darn good. Brad (49m 27s): So I’m kind of averse to pouring my heart out with every little thing, connecting with the audience. Dave (49m 35s): Let’s say it has to be negative. I want, I want a piece of you that you haven’t shared yet. It doesn’t have to be, it could be. I like to wear, you know, women’s clothing. I don’t know. I’m looking for something that is kind of exclusively yours. I think we want to know, you want to know behind the scenes and it doesn’t have to be anything morose or sad. It has to be sending distinctively you. Brad (49m 59s): Yeah. Yeah. I mean, that’s, that’s one part of my answer was that I, I try not to, I try to be positive and not, you know, burden people with my problems on the air. And I know a lot of people do that and it doesn’t play too well with me, even though it is really vulnerable and authentic and you’re getting the real person every time. So I guess that’s one answer and then, you know, sharing something else. Well, Mia Moore has been brought into the public eye. Now we’ve done a few shows together and I kind of kept that low key because, you know, I went through a life transition of getting divorced after a long, a long marriage. Brad (50m 32s): And then, you know, I, I got in with this wonderful recent partner. We’ve been together for several years now and married for a year and a half and such. And I thought it was fun to, you know, turn the microphone on one day when we were in the bedroom and introduce her to my world. So I hope to bring her on for many more shows. Cause I love talking with her about relationship dynamics and we feel really open and honest with each other. We have no problem talking about any topic, even difficult ones and we’ll have some difficult conversations about whatever it is. Brad (51m 8s): Cause we, we have a lot thrown at us in life these days with a lot of life changes and things that are potentially stressful, but it usually goes so well that I really want to share more of that with the audience. I haven’t, I haven’t shared much about, you know, my own personal love relationship dynamics. I’m more interviewing John Gray than talking to my own wife on the air. So I look forward to doing more of that and giving people a greater insight to, to that I think are. Dave (51m 37s): And the reason why I asked that question and I have one more question to ask you before we have to go. The reason why I ask that question is because a lot of people that listen to you, I believe listen to you for you. And I think secondarily, they listened to you for what content that you’re going to give. And I think the content is interesting and there’s, there’s a piece of that, but I think it’s also Brad Kearns. I think, I think a lot of people trust that advice and they want to get to know you. And I think those real vulnerable behind the curtain kind of conversations about relationships or loves or fears, Hey, I don’t know. Dave (52m 8s): I don’t know if I want to do this anymore or I don’t know if this floats my boat anymore or I’m having too much success in something that I don’t really care that much about. And I want more success in this thing I do care about. I think those are actually really great things to talk about because people trust you. I mean, I do. I mean, I, I think I’m sharing my, my desires, I guess for this interview too. Brad (52m 33s): Oh yeah. The connection. Oh God, a little jumpy there and I thought you said too much sex rather than too much sex. Dave (52m 42s): No, your mind was there. My mind was on success. Yeah. I would be a different show. Brad (-): Yeah. I like that. Dave (-): By Brad Kearns: How Professional athletes have sex Brad (52m 54s): At age 55, hanging in there, taking their MOFO pills and sleeping enough Dave (53m 15s): and doing the MOFO pills. If you have one bit of advice. And do you have maybe a minute left, one bit of advice to give an 18 year old Brad Kearns. What would that advice be? Brad (53m 15s): But get over yourself first and foremost. And what else can you say? I mean, Dave (53m 40s): Nothing about food. Nothing about training, Nothing about love, Nothing about You. You’ve had so many great guests on you. You you’re going to go back in time and you can’t give these documents because that’d be inside trader, but you’re gonna go back in time and you’re going to get young Brad Kearns at tech, and you’re going to say little dude, do this. What’s that going to be? Brad (53m 47s): Well, I think I was destined to follow my own path no matter what, no matter what advice I received. And so I would kind of reinforce the importance of doing so. And, you know, encourage my young, my younger self to, to trust myself completely and be bold and daring and never look back and never succumb to these huge cultural pressures and forces that led me to try to conform. For example, I spent my college years studying economics with accounting emphasis because I was told by my peers and experts that if you get a degree in accounting, you can pass the CPA test. Brad (54m 32s): And then you go to law school and then to become a tax attorney, which has the highest income category of any attorney. So I was like, Oh, okay. So I take these classes and I do this. And my accounting career lasted 11 and a half weeks. And I got a law school application on my desk and I completed half of it. And then I had to get a teacher recommendation and I didn’t meet or know any professor at all my entire duration at UC Santa Barbara. I sat in the back, I escaped early if the waves were up and you know, I didn’t form any relationships. Brad (55m 2s): So I got the courage to go ask professor Morgan for a letter of recommendation. I literally knocked on his professor door and I had my transcript in hand because I knew he wouldn’t recognize me. And I said, sir, I got an A plus in your business law class and an A plus in your econ two class. And I need this letter of recommendation for UCLA law school. Would you mind doing it for me? I know you don’t know me. And he said, Oh, that’s my Alma mater. I have a lot of influence there with the admissions office. I would love to write you a letter of recommendation. But before I do, I want to ask you one question and I don’t want you to answer right away. Brad (55m 33s): I want you to think about it and come back tomorrow. And the question is, are you passionate about the law? And I said, Oh, well, I don’t really know. I think it was don’t answer right now. He goes, come back tomorrow. He goes, if you’re passionate about the law, I will write you the most glowing recommendation from your GPA. You’re going to get in there. And if you’re not passionate about the law, you will get your ass kicked so hard. I don’t care what your grades are. It’s not going to work for you. And I went home and I thought about it for a little and I dumped the application in the garbage can. Brad (56m 5s): And I thank that guy for having a turning point in my life. And it’s kind of answering your question because there was a guy giving advice to an 18 year old that was profound, but it was, it was received in a way that, you know, I could really embrace it. It wasn’t someone pounding it down on my head. So I’d talked to that young guy and say, you know, just follow your whims and, you know, be a throw caution to the wind, really Dave (56m 27s): What a great story and what a great word that teacher used, which is passion. I think that’s such a great use of that story. I I’m, I think it was a great, great answer and a great story. Thank you for that. dWell, I have to talk to you all day. I don’t know how long you want your show to go with, with me interviewing you, which I’m happy to do endlessly, but maybe you want to keep it under an hour. Brad (56m 53s): I think you did a great job and it was so fun to be on the other side, especially to get those, you know, perceptive and probing questions. And that’s one thing that I love about podcasting is you have an opportunity to go deep in a different way than you can. If it’s a written article or things like that, or, you know, conveying your message in a book and kind of gets into that free flowing place where we didn’t know where this show was going. And it was kind of fun to just take it along the way. Brad (57m 23s): And you know, both of us kind of having a good time here and engaged, like we are in person and hopefully the listener, you know, got something out of it and had some entertainment value, at least Dave (57m 36s): Well let’s hope so. It’s always hard for me not to interject the things that I know. And it was very hard for me not to not to, to show that side to me. So it was a lot of restraint on my behalf to really continue to make it about you. And I really enjoyed that. Brad (57m 52s): A great exercise for Dave Rossi. Yeah. Well, I mean, I think you, you framed the conversation well, when you, you, you know, extracted my mindset in that battle, that I, that I fight every day with, you know, trying to be a peak performer and, you know, mark down the great achievements in my life versus trying to, you know, go with the flow and live in acceptance and, and live in peace and gratitude and not be attached to every single outcome. So that’s what I like about your work and your book. Brad (58m 23s): And it’s keeping these things fresh and keeping, continuing to talk about them and put them as part of your, your daily life, rather than just kind of working hard and then unplugging with digital entertainment. I prefer doing stuff like this to vegging out in front of the TV. So Dave (58m 40s): Plugin, because you said it, those words you used like gratitude and awareness, and you also said keeping things fresh and keeping things going, those same words can continue to be fresh and new as you learn and develop a new definition of them as you learn and develop new context and new understanding and new comprehension of your own psyche and continue to be programming your brain in different ways. Maybe it’s the battle of athletics or it’s the battle of money, or it’s the battle of, of relationships. Dave (59m 20s): Those same lines, Words will change definition in time, and they themselves can be fresh. You don’t have to go create a new, new thing beyond creating a new way to perceive the same thing. Brad (59m 28s): Love it, love it all. Dave (59m 29s): Well, Brad, thank you for allowing me to do this with you. I love my time with you. Thank you so much. And I thank your listeners for letting me do this. Brad (1h 0m 20s): Dave Rossi people. And the next time you hear from him on this show, he’s going to be in the interview hot seat. I can’t wait to go, go deeper and pick up where we left off last time. And just to tease the, the listener on that we talked about off the air, this little side comment you made to me, it kind of an offhanded comment, and I’ve been thinking about it nonstop for several weeks. So I want to end with that tantalizing thought of where we could take this on the next interview with you. And that is, you said, I might be butchering it and you can correct me, but it was something that everything we do is simply a pursuit of a hormonal experience. Like a dopamine hit is the most obvious one, but there’s so many other ones behind that statement. It’s all about answering to our biology or something like that. You said. Yeah, Dave (1h 0m 25s): I guess then again, we’d love that topic. I think it’s a wonderful topic. And when I finally realized what that meant, and I finally realized how my body is affected by stimulus and how that stimulus is interpreted by my brain. And now my brain processes that it changed my life and it changes my choices and it changes everything about me. And I’m being loved, loved topics are more Brad (1h 0m 48s): Okay, People. Will get ready for the next one. Thank you for listening. Dave (1h 0m 55s): Thank you for listening to the show. We would love your feedbac at getoveryourselfpodcastatgmail.com. And we would also love if you could leave a rating and a review on iTunes or wherever you listen to podcasts, I know it’s a hassle. You have to go to desktop iTunes, click on the tab that says ratings and reviews, and then click to rate the show anywhere from five to five stars. And it really helps spread the word so more people can find the show and get over themselves because they need to thanks for doing it.