Get ready for a hard-hitting, straight-shooting, fearless free-thinking fitness leader that will blow your mind and challenge you to rethink many of the basic notions of fitness, diet, and healthy living.

Dr. John is a longtime innovator and thought leader in the biomedical fitness scene, having invented the globally popular OsteoStrong training device to fight osteoporosis. His more recent fitness sensation is the X3Bar, which is revolutionizing the way people think about and perform strength training. His heavy resistance band with the attached bar system allows you to work the range of motion with the highest power output (the end of the movement) with the highest resistance. This is the exact opposite of lifting a heavy bar, where you are constrained by the hardest part (e.g., lifting the bar off the floor) of the lift. You’ll hear Dr. John’s full explanation in the show, but essentially, you get a more challenging and complete workout in a much shorter time period.

We also talk about Dr. John’s astonishing dietary strategy of eating just once every 48 hours, when he enjoys a full-bore carnivore feast. That’s right, Dr. John is maintaining his muscular, single-digit body fat physique (6’0” and 240lbs) with a zero carb diet and a workout protocol of 10 minutes per day, 6 days a week! Yes indeed, this guy is off the beaten track by many miles and it’s incredibly refreshing to open your mind to greater possibilities, challenge bullshit conventional stupidity that’s been proven wrong over and over but we still blindly follow it, and listen to someone who is not afraid to speak his mind at every corner and back up his seemingly crazy proclamations with extensive scientific research and knowledge base. 

“We are not meant to exert ourselves with that much intensity for very long,” Dr. John says, pointing out that while most people assume that a lack of motivation is the reason why people can’t go hard with a workout for more than ten minutes, it’s really a lack of glycogen! Meaning, it’s biological, not mental: if your body is screaming at you to stop, listen, and stop. Dr. John shares a story about how, during the last few sets of an hour-long workout he did, his ears started ringing. “I felt awful, so I thought: what is going on here?” Now, Dr. John is certain that this was his body sounding the alarm on what wasn’t working:  “This was my body’s way of saying: no, we are not doing this anymore!”  Finally, we wrap up with some great advice from his dad, a former NASA engineer: “Don’t think people are going down the right path. Look at the problem, and think of anything else that might address that problem than the way people are doing it, because there might be a better answer.”

Enjoy this informative and surprising episode with Dr. John, and check out his new book, Weight Training Is A Waste Of Time.

TIMESTAMPS:

Brad’s guest today has made many innovations to the fitness culture. He calls out the BS in the fitness industry. [01:39]

John makes some pretty strong statements regarding the information we have been given.  Are calories important? He eats only one meal every 48 hours.  [05:06]

It has a lot to do with looking at what happens during fasting. [08:51]

Some people, in an attempt to find a diet, try to find a solution that doesn’t require a change. [11:02]

John compares the idea of the bears creating diabetes so they can hibernate with what the humans have dealt with. [14:10]

Hydrating is another purpose of carbs. [18:59]

You only need antioxidants if you are oxidizing. [21:28]

What are oxalates? [22:31]

John explains his 48-hour fasting theory. [25:22]

The larger muscle becomes, the more blood it needs to function correctly. [28:21]

The X Three Bar delivers results with weight changing as we move it. [33:00]

What do we really want when we exercise?  We want to change our bodies. [37:59]

Why is this going to have less risk of muscle soreness and damage than doing sets with a heavy bar? [43:31]

If you can fatigue the muscle without damaging the muscle, then all of the protein synthesis is appropriated for growth. [46:14]

Sometimes the information that is published in exercise science is not accurate. [47:06]

After the X Three, you need at least 36 hours to recover. [53:26]

The Central Governor Theory defines the point in the middle of the race when your brain tells your body, “That’s enough.”[55:15]

Using the X three, the injury risk is low. [59:49]

The Osteostrong devices give the benefit of high impact without the risks. {01:00:03]

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Brad (1m 39s): Hey listeners, get ready for a very interesting and intriguing show with Dr. John Jaquish. he is the inventor of the recent fitness sensation called the X three Bar. He also invented the globally popular Osteostrong training device. That’s been helping to fight osteoporosis for many years. This guy is out there on the cutting edge of inventing incredible medical and fitness training devices thinking freely and outside the box. Brad (2m 12s): So you’re going to hear from a very hard hitting straight shooting and fearless free thinking fitness leader, who is not afraid to call BS and challenge many of our basic notions and long held beliefs about how to pursue fitness goals. So we’ll talk a little bit about his amazing X three bar, which is revolutionizing a strength training because it allows you to work the range of motion with the highest power output, with the maximum resistance, which is the exact opposite of lifting heavy bar to get the heavy bar off your chest. Brad (2m 48s): That’s the hardest part because that’s your least of power output. And then when you’re at the top of the lift is when you have your highest power output. So by using a heavy, heavy elastic strap, that requires more and more forced to stretch, it allows you to work much harder in a much shorter duration workout. And let me tell you, I like stuff like that because I want to get in there, work hard and get it done and do the stuff that I really have fun with like sprinting and high jumping and playing sports. Brad (3m 18s): So if you’re not inclined to want to spend hours in the gym, working those muscles and lifting the heavy weights, Oh my gosh, this kind of innovation is really exciting to learn about. And I’m telling you, this guy is going to blow your mind because he has an amazing propensity to look at things differently. Think freely, think outside the box and innovate and second guess and progress. The fitness culture accordingly get a load of his dietary strategy. He eats once every 48 hours with a full on carnivore feast. Brad (3m 51s): So he’s in this tight close loop system, maintaining his amazingly muscular physique. He comes in at six foot and two 40 with single digit body fat. And he’s only training for 10 minutes a day to build this massive physique and extremely healthy with all the fasting benefits that you get. So this is going to be a wide ranging show with a lot of amazing insights that will definitely get you to think twice about the basic notions of diet and fitness and getting big and recovering all kinds of fun stuff. Brad (4m 21s): Check out his new book too. It’s called Weight Lifting is a Waste of Time. Of course, wouldn’t you know what? A title like that from a free thinking guy like Dr. John, and it’s already a sensation on Amazon, a became a bestseller as soon as it came out here in late summer of 2020. So Dr. John Jaquish inventor of the X three bar author of Weight Lifting is a Waste of Time. Dr. John JaquishI am here. Yes. Three world headquarters, Such a pleasure to, to join you in your super high tech studio, especially with the lighting. Brad (4m 54s): I think we look particularly good with this professional lighting. It’s amazing that we don’t even have makeup, but we look, we look Super sharp. Dr. John (5m 3s): Well, we’re, we’re just handsome guys like that too. Brad (5m 6s): Yeah. It’s, it’s a, it’s a strong starting point and yeah, I got all kinds of fun stuff to talk to you about. Okay. Your videos are fantastic on YouTube. You’re a straight shooter. You hit those Q and A’s hard. And then you call out the BS in the fitness industry. Dr. John (5m 22s): A lot of it, of which there is a lot. Yeah. Almost everything. Brad (5m 27s): Well, That’s a strong statement, but if you start breaking it down and some of those soundbites I got from you it’s it’s yeah, well, Dr. John (5m 37s): A lot of the big picture stuff like cardio for fat loss, like that’s just like, I could, I could write a book about that. I mean, the, the section, like, you know, 30 days, my, my book comes out. Henry’s coauthor on that. What’s the title it’s called Weight Lifting is a Waste of Time. And then the subtitle, and so is cardio. There’s a better way to get the body, besides that have fun in a gym. Right? Right. Dr. John (6m 8s): So, so many things are just, just gross misinterpretations of research, like, like just the simplification of looking at calories, like counting calories, good or bad. I could write a book about just that question right there. Like, well, like calories matter, macro nutrients also matter. Micronutrients matter a lot less than we’ve been told, but like a calories unit of energy meant to drive the processes in our body is like looking at calories like you’re putting fuel in a car. Dr. John (6m 50s): A car is a very simple machine. It’s also not alive. So that’s a very overly simplified way. And overly simplified is a term. That’s a nice way of saying wrong. So it’s wrong. Like you just can’t look at the body like calories or fuel. Okay. A lot of things can be fuel. You know, your skin can be fuel. You can metabolize your own skin. Like I, I have a huge scar on, on this shoulder from a branding, my fraternity. Dr. John (7m 23s): It was an honor. You know, you get, you get elected president, you get the brand. So yeah, I didn’t regret it. It was cool. But this thing since I’ve been doing so I eat one meal every 48 hours since I started doing that fast thing, I go into long periods of a tough G. The scar is actually eating itself from the inside. So it’s like for 20 years it had been there. Yeah. That’s, you know, when I was president of returning 20 years ago, is that right? Dr. John (7m 55s): Yeah. About, and then a little less than that. And then it’s been the same ever since it healed up in the fraternity house. And then all of a sudden it’s like disappearing to the point where I can be at the swimming pool and somebody doesn’t even see it. And before I had a thick scar raised off of my skin, you know, like a quarter millimeter, like, you’d see it, like there was a shadow underneath it. Brad (8m 23s): So they’re going to have to get you again is, I guess you got to go back to the reunion. Dr. John (8m 28s): Well, I’d like to see Brad (8m 29s): or not try. Dr. John (8m 31s): Yeah. I won’t want it a second time. I got him once already. It’s cool. Brad (8m 36s): So this, this one meal, every 48 hours at the level that you’re burning calories and building muscle and preserving muscle. That’s, that’s a fascinating strategy. Yeah. How did you come to that? That’s that’s out there, man. Dr. John (8m 51s): So it has to do with looking at what happens during fasting. There’s a lot of myths around fasting and fasting is a, is a hard thing to sell a product around. So anything you read about fasting, you know, it’s the truth, cause no, one’s trying to sell you anything. Cause literally you eat nothing. So it’s hard for somebody to have a marketing budget behind that. But know, like I, I though I have seen fasting mimicking power included, right? Dr. John (9m 29s): Yeah. Right, right. Like bars and stuff and it mimics fasting. It’s like, no, it doesn’t like that’s stupid. Yeah. So when you’re fasting, you’re you’re not consuming any calories. There’s a caveat to, that was a 50 calories. Same, same way. The misappropriation of the term is, is hilarious. Cause you know, Brad (9m 54s): I’m on a, I’m on a Brown rice fast. I’m on a coffee fast. I’m on a juice fast. Right. Well that’s an oxymoron, right? Yeah, yeah. Dr. John (-): Yeah. Well coffee has no calories. Brad (9m 60s): So I guess you need to be on a ride I’m on it. Yeah. That’s the idea dog walking fast or absence of calories. Right. And so when you’re at once every 48 hours, is that that’s your core consumption. Dr. John (10m 11s): Yeah. Brad (10m 11s): And then when it’s time to eat, man, I really want, maybe we want to be invited over for that. Huh? Dr. John (10m 19s): Yeah. Sometimes the chefs come out and watch the guy eat everything you ordered. Cause they can’t believe he can. So like, yeah. When I go to like Ruth Chris Steakhouse, I get the, the 40 ounce porterhouse. Brad (10m 33s): They have that hidden off the menu? Dr. John (10m 33s): Well they call the porterhouse for two, but I, and then, and then, and then I get two orders of a shrimp on top of that. So, you know, like probably like eight ounces of shrimp or maybe six ounces of shrimp and then 40 ounces of a porterhouse. Brad (10m 56s): And you’re also in a highly carnivore carnivor-ish where you’re not eating many carbs even at these fees. Dr. John (11m 2s): So I think Even though I’ve tried to explain this very carefully, my words get misinterpreted because it’s like the news. People want to watch the news that tells them that they’re right. Not the truth. They want very little to do with the truth. So I, and I can just tell, you know, about like, I hear something from one of my friends and I’m like, guessing you heard that on CNN. Cause there’s no accuracy to that at all. Dr. John (11m 33s): Like that’s just a Google search. Like yeah. Can disprove that. Like, you know, but it’s like, they want to watch, you know, what makes them feel good? Yeah. So, and people want nutrition, which makes them feel better. In fact, if you look at keywords that pop up on Google it, you know, it’s diet where I can eat anything I want. That’s like one of the thing, like you don’t have to type very much of that and bang the whole sentence like shows up. Dr. John (12m 4s): Right. And it’s like, they want to figure out how they can do everything they did to get really fat yet. Somehow get the opposite result, which is Brad (12m 16s): have cake and eat it too. Dr. John (12m 16s): Right. There we go have cake and eat it too. Right. Brad (12m 21s): So this feast is what, what’s the composition. Is it meat oriented? Dr. John (12m 25s): No. A hundred percent. Yeah. Brad (12m 30s): A hundred percent. Yeah. I pretty much don’t eat anything. You’re you’re a carb carb free human. Dr. John (12m 37s): So carbohydrates have two purposes a, well, I should say three purposes. Cause I’m sitting next to an endurance athlete, Brad (12m 43s): a former endurance athlete. Thank you. After I’m listening to Dr. John Dr. John (12m 47s): you’re, you’re doing much better now. He was a, Brad (12m 52s): you know, cardio burns up muscle. Yeah. And preserves fat or causes you to store fat. And we never thought about it. Dr. John (13m 3s): You are right. Like cardio, you’re just, it’s the uphill battle. Brad (13m 8s): Yeah. It’s it’s, that’s called aging. If you want to call it, you know, a related term is the essence of aging is, you know yeah. Well losing muscle mass. Dr. John (13m 15s): Right, right, right. And it accelerates aging. That’s I’ve seen that documented where it’s like I had before my, Brad (13m 26s): before my career started and no gray hair either. Yeah. Yeah. Dr. John (13m 31s): Right. Oh, there’s a guy in the fitness industry. His name’s Fred Cebray. He’s a handsome chap. He has the same haircut and he’s a, I think he just retired and he worked for, I want to say, I shouldn’t say who he worked for cause I might screw this up, but he great guy. And I would would stand up on stage. I bring him up on stage and I say, this is Fred. Fred’s my twin brother. Of course, it looks a lot older than me. I’m like, he got married. That’s how all this s**t happened. Dr. John (14m 1s): So, you know, keep that in mind. But, but the, I distracted myself. What the hell are we talking about? Brad (14m 10s): I’m still curious how you came to this, this eating pattern Dr. John (14m 13s): carbohydrates. So there’s three, three things carbohydrates can do for you. And I have a very different approach in view of type two diabetes. And it’s based on observation of bears, like brown bears, black bears, grizzly bears. So a bear will give itself type two diabetes every year showing those berries that’s right. Dr. John (14m 45s): They only eat the berries at the end berries right. At the end, the summer. Right, right before the winter, like fall time, I guess. Yeah. And so they, they give like, no, of course that’s when carbohydrates show up. So they’d probably eat it all year long. Except the problem is when they give themselves type two diabetes, diabetes, it’s a mode your body goes into to get you as fat as possible. Dr. John (15m 18s): I don’t believe type two Diabetes is a dysfunction of the human body. I believe it’s a function of the human body because in nature carbohydrates, most places in the world only show up for a couple weeks, right. At the end of the fall, before it starts to get really cold. So getting as fat as possible is a survival mechanism because bears hibernate. So they don’t have a choice. They’re not going to eat anything cause they’re just sitting in a hole. Dr. John (15m 47s): So that’s part of it. The other part of it is the more adipose tissue you have, the better chance of surviving the cold you have. So it, it’s not like, Like type two diabetes isn’t is not a disease from my perspective Brad (16m 7s): evolutionary advantage. Dr. John (16m 7s): Right. It’s something you can trigger. Right. So that you can get as fat as possible because you want to get as fat as possible to survive the winter. Now we don’t live like that anymore. We have like buildings and air conditioning, but winter. Yeah. Right. We don’t. Right. Yeah. And also we live in California and I mean, you know, other than the terrible taxes, whether it’s pretty good. Yeah. So, you know, we don’t have to necessarily worry about freezing to death. Dr. John (16m 37s): But when you look at the bear model now animal models, you don’t want to look in an animal model and say, that’s what we should eat because we’re not any animal other than human. But it’s a great example. And you also know that animals aren’t screwing up their own studies. Like people are by like, lying about what they ate and drank, which people notoriously do because they want it. They want to believe that they are doing something that they might not exactly be doing. Dr. John (17m 9s): So, you know, survey based studies is like, all right, well maybe, but animals, like, you know, a bear didn’t go out drinking every night. Right. You know, a bear didn’t order pizza instead of hunting deer. Cause they just don’t do that. I mean, at least I’ve never seen that so, so there’s, that’s really, the main purpose of carbohydrates is to get you fat. Right. It’s to get your fat. Now there’s two exceptions to that. Dr. John (17m 38s): When you do really extensive endurance, you got to have immediate fuel because you’ve burned up all your muscle glycogen. And how quick did you burn up your, your, your glycogen Brad (17m 51s): takes hours. Yeah. Hours. And then you want to keep going. Dr. John (17m 56s): You need some sugar, you need some sugar, right. Brad (17m 59s): This show is sponsored by the, no, it’s not sorry. No, but you get your gel or your drink your gel pack or whatever. Dr. John (18m 7s): And it’s basically like a liquid candy bar. Yeah. And then you can keep going because your body can metabolize that. But you’re basically limping along at that point. Like that’s, I, I know all sports have a tendency to, at the most extreme degree, cast health aside for sake of the victory, you know? Sure. Yeah. How many, how many football players sacrifice their joints? Yeah. So they can play, you know, one more season. Brad (18m 38s): All of them, if I don’t write the guy, well, it’s the same with endurance, right? I’m going to go, go a little more further on the bike and then the next guy and burn up your hormones and everything else. Right. So that was the other purpose for carbs is to fuel contribute to the feeling of extreme endurance. And did you say there was three purposes? Dr. John (18m 60s): The third purpose I would say is hydrating. Like you, you could hydrate with sodium, sodium, slotted, different places. And we, we do get plenty of it. And you cramp, if you don’t have mostly sodium though, there are other electrolytes, but if you want to hydrate a muscle, you can hydrate it. Like after you deplete glycogen, and then you can actually have a slight acceleration of growth. Dr. John (19m 34s): So like there’s a protocol that’s in the book where I talk about using vasodilator, like an hour before a workout and then doing your workout. And then having a very limited amount of carbohydrates is calculated based on your body weight. And then you can have more blood flow into the muscle, which delivers more nutrients. You can have a little bit more growth. Brad (20m 4s): Okay. So raise your hand out there if you ascribe to any of those three. Dr. John (20m 9s): Not many people know carbohydrates cause they have no self control, self control of a child now it’s yeah. I, I see the addiction like everywhere, the foods are engineered to be addictive. So it’s not like, I’m not saying the average person is just a loser. I’m saying the average person got sucked into the addictive food pattern and doesn’t want to believe that they should break it. Brad (20m 40s): Right. I mean, what would you say to the, the huge plant based advocate who thinks that blueberries, broccoli, Kale leaves are essential to human health? Dr. John (20m 53s): I’d say prove it. Yeah. I’d say ?How me the micronutrients that you’re taking in. Why you need those. Yeah. Because there’s no proof to any of that. Brad (21m 1s): It’s getting, it’s getting disproven now with the carnivore movement. I think very effectively. Very effectively. Yeah. Yeah. Or I mean, Dr. Casey Means use this term a redundant pathways, but Saladino says the same thing where you do get an antioxidant response from consuming the broccoli. It’s highly validated and isn’t that great. But you also get the same from jumping into cold water and getting that hormetic stressor Dr. John (21m 28s): Or say, I got it. We’re fasting. I got a slightly different perspective. You only need antioxidants if you’re oxidizing. So because the carnivore diet is anti-inflammatory, there’s no inflammatories and there’s no oxalates. So you take in oxalates with vegetables, which gives you inflammation. Right. And then you got to go all over the world to get your antioxidants. Right. It’s like you’re taking the poison and the antidote. Yeah. Smart. Dr. John (21m 59s): Yeah. Brad (21m 59s): Yeah. Hopefully you’re following this listener because the plants have natural toxins. This is also undisputed. This is not just Dr. John popping off. So you get kind of a, you get benefits, but you also have some there’s, there’s a, a stressor aspect to it. And you know, we’ve always been, we’ve been socialized to envision the blueberry as the antioxidant powerhouse of the diet, but it’s because it’s stimulating a defensive response. Dr. John (22m 31s): Right. And other vegetables are like, they’re, every plant has oxalates. Basically, let’s give everybody a little brief on, on oxalates. Like the way an animal keeps you from eating it is it runs away. Or at least it tries. And then the way a plant keeps you from eating it is, it gives you a mild toxin. So at some point you’re like, I’m sick eating this and you go away. So, and this is true of animals, how they have higher tolerances for oxalates. Dr. John (23m 5s): But if you can engineer food so that it’s has less oxalates, the animals have less inflammation too. Hmm. Yeah. Well, I mean like, like a herbivore has got tolerance to oxalates it’s through the roof, whereas we do not <inaudible>, which I think does help indicate that we’re much better with a much more animal protein in also the, the tragedy of the plant based diet. Dr. John (23m 37s): Like the Western diet is already 70% plant based because bread is plant based. A lot of candy bars are plants and trees. Calories. Yeah. I mean what’s chocolate and that’s plant based. Yeah. So the reason you hear so much about the benefits of plant based nutrition is because there’s some studies on it that were funded by Nabisco. Now, why does it, why does Nabisco want everybody to be a vegan is because Nabisco knows that vegans don’t eat blueberries and kale most of the time.o like the, the growth hormone goes up at like 36 hours really high, like 2000% increase and then begins to drop off at the, that kind of level out. Dr. John (25m 38s): There’s I have a general question I have where I’d really like to talk to some nutrition experts, and problem is most nutrition experts. I know they have far more questions than answers. They can’t get answered. So, I mean, I don’t blame, it’s hard industry because you know, like epidemiology is like one of the lowest forms of, of research surveys. Dr. John (26m 17s): But because you can’t take a group of people and put them in a cage and feed them exactly what you want. Brad (26m 24s): We’ve done that a few times with Dr. Cahill and the starvation experiments that date back to the sixties. And Dr. John (26m 31s): So data. Yeah. Back. That’s all we got though. Yeah. Yeah. Like we have some very old research on that kind of thing where like people had to be like basically imprisoned. Brad (26m 45s): And so we have Dr. John doing it for you in real time, 20, 20 babies. Right. But once every two days a feast or famine, right. About the exercise, how does that layer in, I mean, you feel great and have level energy for 40, 47 hours after? Your meal must take an hour to eat. Dr. John (27m 4s): Yeah. Yeah. I think last, like last night I went to a steak house. I had, I go Brad (27m 7s): watch out <inaudible> We can hear his car coming to block away. No kidding. Yeah. And then they roll out the table for ya. Dr. John (27m 18s): That’s right. That’s right. Yeah. And for steaks for staff and some shrimp also. Yeah. You know, I mean the alternate source of did. I know I had four steaks and then I had an appetizer, which was also steak. It was just cut with, I want to say some water cress sauce, which is kind of nothing. Yeah. But it’s got a good taste to it. Yeah. Hmm. Brad (27m 47s): So then you wake up the next day and the next day, and you’re doing your, you’re doing your thing. You’re w orkout is normal. Just fasted. All right. I worked out this morning. Yeah. And let’s, let’s talk about your, your workout regimen. It’s very simple. Okay. Dr. John (28m 2s): Very simple. Use the X three for 10 minutes. Brad (28m 2s): 10 minutes. Yeah. Five, six days a week? What do you do? Dr. John (28m 7s): Six days a week. Yeah. Brad (28m 9s): Say do four sets? Yeah. So like, if those familiar with the device have the, the workout one and the workout two incredibly simple and the whole thing takes 10 minutes. Dr. John (28m 21s): It takes me a little bit longer because the larger muscle becomes, the more blood it needs to function correctly. So this is part of it’s for me here, here. Let me throw anothe The doc, let me, let me, let me give another myth of the fitness industry. You hear guys who are really all about cardio saying, Oh, strength athletes. You know, they have no endurance. So they have bad hearts. They’re all gonna die of a heart attack. Dr. John (28m 52s): You hear that all the time. And it’s total BS. In fact, the strength athlete like re there is research that supports this statement. The strength athlete might actually have a healthier cardiovascular system, but the illusion of poor endurance comes from large musculature because like, I run up a flight of stairs and like blood is pumping and I’m like glutes in my calves and my quads, which are tremendous there’s Brad (29m 21s): Right. Right. Dr. John (29m 26s): And so, because those muscles are so big, you know, I might run up five, six flights of stairs and I’m like gassed. When I get to the top, like really Brad (29m 37s): 240 pounds up the stairs, where is, yeah. Dr. John (29m 37s): I weigh 240 and Brad (29m 43s): Kipchogi weighs 120. So he can kick your butt in a marathon. Yeah. Right, right, right. Dr. John (29m 46s): We run up flights of stairs and it’s just like, yeah. You know, nothing happened. I see poor cardio. Brad (29m 57s): Right. But if you did like a weight neutral event, like Sean Baker setting the world record in rowing with a large amount of mass, but he’s not carrying it along. Right. Even the Tour de France, the guys who were sprinting are way bigger than the guys who climb the mountains cause they just put out more power. Their cardio is phenomenal. Dr. John (30m 14s): Yeah. Brad (30m 18s): It’s just, no, there’s no penalty due to the weight bearing muscle size. Right. Yeah. You get that people that’s a good, I like that comeback. You see, you see a guy lugging down the street a bodybuilder and you’re like, wow, how pathetic? But he’s running with 240 pounds and you’re running with 127, right? Dr. John (30m 31s): Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Brad (30m 31s): So the cardio is very healthy. You don’t have that risk of scarring and inflammation from overdoing. It like the endurance world isn’t highly concerned about. And then you have the, you have the strength when I, Dr. John (30m 47s): When I do my workout Like I actually did try not to do it on video all that often because I’m like gasping for air when I’m done with it. When I really, when I, Yeah. I mean, I can, you know, fake it, like yeah. Like a lot of people do in, in, you know, like lifting videos. And I was talking to Leo Costa this morning, the, the bodybuilder guy who wrote Serious rowth, I was on his podcast and he was talking about how I made some comment about like the CrossFit weights, you know, the plastic weights that all look like they weigh 45 pounds. Dr. John (31m 25s): Yeah. Right. But they’re really like five 15. Yeah. 15 or whatever. They all look the same. Right. And so you see somebody who doesn’t look athletic at all, and then they look like they’re doing reps with 300 pounds and you find out it’s really like 80 pounds. So apparently hey have these like strength shows within like 145 pound dumbbell and then invite these bodybuilders. Dr. John (31m 57s): You know, this is like back in like the, probably the eighties. He didn’t tell me when, but I know, I know when he was a competitive athlete, they’re made out of plastic. They’re all fake. So like, like the state yeah. The state champ would carry it away. Yeah. Yeah. Who was like a guy who never worked out. Yeah. It’s just some little guy just for entertainment, but nobody saw it. Right. So they would do these shows a strength. And then, you know, my point is working out when you have a, 3 (32m 30s): And when you’re, it’s just not pretty is my point when I’m so out of breath. And so just devastated at the end of a set, like yeah. Yeah. Like some people, I don’t want to see any of that because they’ll be like, wow, I don’t want to do that. Well, yeah, you won’t do that because you won’t get as winded as I am because you don’t have 240 pounds of muscle blood is pumping to. Yeah. Yeah. But then that’s why I explained that. Just not show it, Brad (33m 0s): But the nature of the workout, I got to say it was, it was hard for me to conceive that a system like this could deliver the results of much more prolonged and seemingly complex workouts. But the way this resistance concept works with, with the X three bar, you, you told me I was going to be fried after one set and you can’t really fully experience it until the next day. I think I wrote, I went for a swim. I did the, I did the bench press, did the tricep thing. And then I went for a swim. Brad (33m 31s): And like, I always, almost couldn’t make it across the Lake because the sense of fatigue in my muscles was like, nothing. You ever experienced Dr. John (33m 38s): It takes 36 hours to really recover from a weight workout and grow growth to be complete. Yeah. Brad (33m 45s): So why I, as the, the, the maneuvering, the, the resistance straps giving you a more complete or more challenging workout in a short time. So the wasting the heavy bar, Dr. John (34m 1s): The way the product is designed, we use heavier. We had to produce heavier latex bands than ever had existed. So really thick, but the heaviest one that we have the elite Brad (34m 14s): And military grade Dr. John (34m 17s): That, that one old deliver like 600 pounds into deadlift. Yeah. Yeah. And because like, like Dr. Baker, you know, he’s a 6’4″ so he stretches it further. So it’s over 700 pounds. Brad (34m 30s): Oh sure. Your height is going to be a factor. Yeah, Dr. John (34m 32s): Yeah, yeah, yeah. I’m six foot. So I it’s a 615 for me, but that delivering force where your body is designed to handle incredible forces and then discharging that force where your body is less able. And it was all based on my research that I did in London for the medical device I created 13 years ago. Dr. John (35m 6s): So when, when looking at that data, we want to exhaust the musculature to the most complete degree. We want the greatest, most powerful stimulus. So what we do is we exhaust first the strongest range of motion with a very high weight. And then the way it’s changing is removing. So then we do mid range repetitions with a weight that might be half or, you know, two thirds that, and Brad (35m 42s): that’s what gets ya. Dr. John (35m 43s): Yeah. That’s so devastating. And then the last repetition one or two repetitions may only be like an inch, right. In the weaker range of motion where normally you’d be prone injury if you’re holding a regular weight, but right, right. But you can go to a deeper level of fatigue because by the time you’re that exhausted, you’re not using a very high weight in the weaker range of motion. Right. So like the, my last couple of rep my first rep, so my chest press are 540 pounds and I’ll do 20 of them. Brad (36m 17s): That’s the, that’s the effective tension on the band at maximum tension. Yeah. Watch the videos. People. We’re not going to do gesturing here on this video, but watch the X three videos. But I think the concept was easily embraced by me because I’m thinking of, I can’t get five. You told me I was bench, press chest pressing 230 or something. And I’m like, I can only bench press 125, right. With a bar because I can’t get it the first few weeks. Dr. John (36m 47s): Right. So you were describing somebody handed it to you at the top Brad (36m 51s): Top, and then I’m really putting out yeah, Dr. John (36m 54s): You can handle it there, but you can’t handle it at the bottom. Even if you tried an Essentra contraction lowering it, you’d probably tear your package, try stuff all the way down. Yeah. Cause all of a sudden it’s a weight you by definition can handle. So what we need is a weight that changes as we move it. Right. And that’s what X Three really is. Yeah. Yeah. And cause people wouldn’t, I mean, there’s some people that work out so they can basically, so they can talk about it. You know, these are, these are ego-driven people. Dr. John (37m 25s): So the do like a really crummy form, you know, sad. And then they’re like, Oh, I squatted 800 pounds for two reps. And you know, you look at the video and you’re like, no, you put 800 pounds on a bar and you like unwrapped it and suffered for about 10 seconds. And then rewrapped it and called it two reps. And there’s people all over the internet like that. And I think those people are just clowns. Dr. John (37m 59s): So what do we really want when we exercise? We want to change our bodies. We want to make the human body or more powerful, more efficient, more disease, free machine capable of greater outputs. I, so right now there’s, I’m helping seven NFL players completely switched away from weights and use X three. Actually. It’s more than that. Now. I think it’s, you know, it’s eight and it’s about to be a couple more because the more these guys, all talk to each other, even amongst teams, cause they get traded it’s often. Dr. John (38m 35s): So they have friends on other teams and it’s like, Oh, Hey, you gotta check out this X three. Yeah. So I love working with NFL players because they don’t care how much they bench press. Right. They care how they play. So actually being stronger like, like, God, I wish I could. I wish I could like request Instagram and Facebook to just not allow stupid comments from stupid commenters who talk about how much they bench press. Because unless you’re a competitor in the sport of the bench press, it doesn’t matter. Dr. John (39m 9s): Being stronger matters. Yeah. And that’s very poorly measured by what you bench press. Mostly because if you become risk averse, like, you know, you turn like 25 and start thinking about what you do. And then, you know, you’re like, Whoa, I’m risking injury here. So I’m going to train lighter. Well then you stop growing, right? That’s why people stop growing. They start draining letter. Right? So there’s no getting away from heavy. Dr. John (39m 40s): So X Three allows that even heavier than you normally get weight, but it’s strategic in where it puts the weight on your body. So that you’re guaranteed a much greater level of growth. Brad (39m 51s): So the most difficult part for the, with the bar is let’s say the starting point, getting the bar off your chest or getting it off the ground. And that’s the easiest partcertainly because you’re not pulling the strap yet. Dr. John (40m 10s): Well, there’s some tension intention. There’s a little tension. But like I said, in my chest prize is 540 pounds of the top 300 pounds in the middle and a hundred pounds of the bottom. I’m a really strong guy. So 100 pounds for a chest presses, you know, it’s nothing. Yeah. So I breezed right through that now in the last couple reps that a hundred pounds becomes very heavy because I fatigue the rest of the musculature. And you know, I don’t know how technical your audience appreciates, but that gives us the benefit of periodization in one set because we’re taking the muscle in the stronger range of motion to myofibril fatigue, which is growing the density of the cell and Brad (40m 52s): through heavy lifting few reps. Dr. John (40m 57s): Well it’s from the fatigue of the cellular structure. Like I don’t want to oversimplify because remember over simplification is a nice way to say it wrong. Yeah. So we fatigue in the range of motion where we can handle the most weight. Okay. Now we’re not running out of contractile fuel. We’re not running out of oxygen. We’re getting the muscle to the point where the structure of the cell starts to say no, no, no, no, no. We’re going to start shutting some cells off and limiting your capacity. Dr. John (41m 30s): As you go to fatigue, then you have less cells working or less cells working out a hundred inefficiency. Then you do the mid range repetitions. So that you’re exhausting. The fuels in the cell, the ATP, the glycogen and the creatine phosphate that affects muscular endurance. So, and when I say muscular endurance, I don’t mean like endurance endurance, like, Brad (41m 57s): Like, you know, it’s like a high rep. Dr. John (41m 59s): Yeah, yeah. Brad (41m 59s): It’s well, so you’re doing high. Dr. John (41m 59s): Yeah. It’s like at the same, right. It’s like a low rep explosive workout while at the same time a higher rep blood volume type workout. All. Yes. Yeah. Yeah. It just depends on which portion of the set that you’re in. Brad (42m 20s): So that’s what I’m feeling 24 to 36 hours later. Yeah. Is this, I mean total depletion of the energy fuels. Dr. John (42m 25s): Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly. Brad (42m 31s): And the, what were the two types of cell growth? There’s the myofibrils myofibril sarcoplasmic and sarcoplasmic gets sized. You see getting bigger and then the myofibril is more density inside. Dr. John (42m 46s): Yeah. That’s that’s like, like a, like a gymnast has incredible myofibril bro. Right. Because they have a high power to weight ratio, right? Yeah, yeah. Yeah. A lot of lower weight class lifters wil have that like competitive weightlifters. Yeah. Very explosive. They also really work on the neurology of the lift. So a lot of drills to basically get, get the weight, moving with momentum and then jump underneath it. Yeah. So much technique, like, like golfer swing. Dr. John (43m 17s): There’s a lot of technique in a golf swing, looking at clean and jerk. Like way more. Yeah. Yeah. Well, and, and, and you have to be exact, you know, you screw up your golf swing, you slice into the woods, you screw up your clean and jerk and right. And you have a, you know, maybe a life changing injury, so right. Yeah. It’s, that’s a serious, you know, don’t get into that sport. If you, if you’re not willing to accept that there is potential injury everywhere. Brad (43m 47s): Well, even lifting the heavy bar in a moderate level for someone my age, I come around and get sore so frequently that it’s really disappointing because this impacts my main goals of doing sports specific training, high jumps, sprinting, or whatever. And I know how important it is to put my body under heavy resistance load, but to have something that’s going to have that massively reduced risk of any kind of injury or muscle soreness. Right. You think that’s where the huge attractiveness is, you know? Brad (44m 17s): Right. Yeah. So why, why is this going to have less risk of that muscle soreness muscle damage than doing sets with heavy bar? Dr. John (44m 27s): So, Oh, this is another thing that really, really irritates people who’ve been lifting weights for years. Yeah. The, yeah. The idea of muscle damage. Now an endurance athlete gives him or herself more muscle damage than a weightlifter. So why don’t they grow big muscles? In fact, they’re pretty much losing muscle. Most of the time damage is inversely related to growth. Dr. John (45m 1s): Cool. Yeah. Yeah. So the idea that you go in Brad (45m 3s): Soreness is not good? Dr. John (45m 8s): A soreness is not good or bad because soreness is our perception of what’s going on as opposed to what actually is going on. Here’s here’s something funny. You can’t feel lactic acidS It, so when people are like, Oh, sorry, cause all lactic acid. No, no. Your store cause of damage. Yeah. So it’s yeah. Lactic acid is, is not, you know, acid like, you know, and like an espionage film where somebody gets acid thrown in their face and then they look like a monster after that. Dr. John (45m 42s): It’s not like that. So damage needs to be attenuated by protein synthesis. This is where people made the mistake of assuming, because protein sentences is happening. You’re growing, you’re not growing. You’re just repairing the damage. And only when the damage is repaired, you can grow, but you can only go through so much protein synthesis in a given period of time. Dr. John (46m 14s): If you can fatigue the muscle without damaging the muscle, then all of the protein synthesis is appropriated for growth. And there’s multiple studies on this been out for a long time. And yet the fitness industry has no clue. In fact I’ve never heard anybody say it. Dr. John (46m 43s): Huh? Yeah. I think there might’ve been a testosterone nation article that referenced it, but kind of explained it maybe incorrectly. But then every once in a while they also have some of the researchers do articles to explain what the article means is one of the problems with academic research is it’s not, I I’ll give it to people for, you know, they don’t want to read it cause it’s hard to read. Yeah. And sometimes if you’re not conditioned read that and you don’t know anything about statistics, it’ll take you a week to understand and study a Guan, you know, whereas I might read 50 studies in a day. Dr. John (47m 20s): Wow. But that’s what I do. Yeah. So like it becomes faster. Like I, I, you know, I know the difference between a Spearman statistical task and a analysis of variants, but a lot of people just see those acronyms and they Google it. And then there’s like five pages of statistics lessons to understand what a Spearman road test is and how it works and why you would choose it. And they’re like, Oh the hell with this. I’m not doing this. Dr. John (47m 51s): I’m not reading this. So I get it. But you know, every once in a while, but ultimately the industry just fails to pick up on these things. Yeah. In fact, when I’ve been to the, the annual Congress of the American College of Sports Medicine, a number of times, and I’ve talk with some of the leadership and their number one pain point of the American College of Sports Medicine is their, it’s so difficult for them to get the fitness industry, to pay attention to what’s being published in their journals. Dr. John (48m 26s): Like they’re the ones that, you know, the CSM has a couple of different journals and they’re all fantastic. Then there’s the journal of applied physiology, which is not an ACM journal, but it’s the top like the best. And then there’s the European Journal of Applied Physiology. There’s a couple European sports, sports science journals. They, they all have the same problem. It’s that the people who are leading the general population in exercise science don’t read anything, not a thing. Dr. John (49m 7s): And or they might read articles written by bodybuilders, which are potentially not even written by the actual bodybuilder. They just borrow his name or Brad (49m 19s): They’re succeeding in spite of themselves, which I see a lot in endurance scene where the championship collegiate running program is destroying young people year after year. Dr. John (49m 30s): It doesn’t care cause they graduate Brad (49m 32s): Or survive. And 17 of them do mediocre and 12 of them get injured, but they don’t care. Cause the four are winning the races and it’s, you know, ignoring a lot of, a lot of science and going by, you know, the, the, the model of the elite athletes, which may be highly flawed even today. I mean, you’ve got nine NFL players, but you don’t have 309. But if you did, there may be less guys on the sidelines are having joint problems from messing around. Dr. John (50m 2s): Absolutely. Like they all make the same comment. The one, the ones that are sticking with a hundred percent, like my joints have never felt better. And I’m actually stronger than when, you know, like when I entered the league. So yeah, I do need to get a lot, a lot more of those guys and, and I need now, no, I will say that strength coaches are much better about like reading research and understanding what’s going on. Dr. John (50m 36s): Like they’re, they’re they don’t, they, they read the scientific journals, like strength coaches are typically people with a master’s or PhD in sports science, different than what I studied, but they, they do want to really get a better understanding cause it’s their job and they want an edge on the other strength, coaches. Brad (51m 2s): A lot of them are athleticb, too. I notice themselves. And then some credibility. And if you’re roaming around an NFL locker room, you probably don’t want to be overweight a nerd with glasses and no physique right there. They’re putting things to the test themselves. So a 10 minute workout. I know we got to get you rolling to your next point in your busy day, but sure. That’s got to have a ton, a ton of hormonal benefits. So we’re going to have 10 more minutes of a little simulator, X three X, three workout. Brad (51m 33s): This is how short the workout is people from here to the end of the show. Oh my goodness. But the big deal and endurance was the destruction of a immune function and hormonal function due to the prolonged nature of the training. And we just couldn’t, we couldn’t escape it. Right. And so now it seems like there’s a viable opportunity. For example, the CrossFit enthusiast, who’s discovering a hormone and immune suppression because the workouts are too prolonged and too stressful. Right. Dr. John (52m 4s): Well, there’s a, there’s some really large studies when we look at the metrics of people who exercise for, you know, what what’s called an academic journals, recreation, meaning we choose to write. I don’t really know. I don’t really call my, my workout recreation. Like, like I’m not, it’s not like, you know, sip and a scotch on the brunch. Yeah. It’s hard work. But yeah, I do choose to do it. Nobody forces me to in a like it, but people who have like manual labor jobs or have to physically exert themselves all day long, their bodies are destroyed because they’re more like enduring stress and it’s just all day like beating on your body. Dr. John (52m 54s): Like, yeah, we are not meant to exert ourselves the warehouse type of intensity for, for very long. Right. Yeah. I mean, you know, nobody has other than endurance athletes, nobody has like a four hour workout. Yeah. I mean the Jordan’s athletes do. Sure. But yeah, so it’s, it’s really symbolic of how we exert ourselves, but it shouldn’t be for like extended period of time. Dr. John (53m 26s): I think, you know, like X three happens to be very efficient. There was, I didn’t go for like, you know, like I got to design a workout. That’s 10 minutes. It just happened to be, you can stimulate half the body. We split the body in two different ways. So there’s half the body one day have the, by the next day, because you want to wait for at least 36 hours for those to recover. Now you also could in theory, do a full body workout, which would be just, I’d be, I would be in really rough shape of, I did that. Dr. John (54m 1s): Oh, that’d be devastating. And it would take me a lot longer than 10 or even 20 minutes. It would probably take me an hour because I’d just be gasping for air between sets. But you could in theory, take both workouts and, and put them together. I talked to someone, probably the best group exercise group I’ve ever seen. Dr. John (54m 31s): It’s a group called Health house and they’re based in Los Angeles. And they were pointing out that people can work out with great intensity for 10 minutes. And then they start to really just an, even like the endurance guys, they like immediately like at the 10 minute mark. And I don’t know, like I think their comment was, people lose their motivation. Dr. John (55m 2s): Yeah. It’s like, no, it looks her glycogen. Yeah. It’s probably psychological and mechanical. They go hand in hand, you know, your body’s just like, Oh no, we’re not going any further. Brad (55m 15s): Dr. Tim Noakes Central Governor Theory. Yeah, sure. Stating that there is some glycogen left in the muscle. It’s it’s not a glycogen depletion. It’s just your brain. Hey man, you’re down to the bottom of the barrel and I’m not going to let you go any further because I don’t want you collapsing on the ground. And I could feel that that central nervous system fatigue is so many reference points where you’ve, you’ve gone and you’re like, F this, what am I doing in here? I’m all of a sudden I’ve gone from super positive energy and motivation. And now it’s like, you’re, you’re done. Brad (55m 46s): You’re done when you’re done. Yeah. Sometimes it’s in the middle of a race, unfortunately. But when that point hits, I think in training, you should stay or steer far clear of that yeah. Yeah. Completely. Yeah. And so here’s the fitness industry telling you? No. Do one more set. Cause then you can really high five, everyone around you on the other bikes and push beyond. And that’s really destructive, especially to a recreational fitness enthusiastic. Brad (56m 16s): He wants to go have fun. Dr. John (56m 17s): Have you ever, I mean, I don’t know if this happens to endurance athletes, but like when I first started lifting, I was in a learning mode back then, but not like I have been in the last 10 years, so I wasn’t a scientist. I was in high school, so right. I was doing what everybody else is doing and you got it. So I was the camera’s on a horse. The, I was just doing the same nonsense crap ebbverybody else was doing, you know, like five sets of five or five sets of 10 or whatever. Dr. John (57m 2s): And I got to the point where I remember last couple sets of the workout, my, my work, I was like an hour. I remember my ears starting to ring. Ah, just, just ringing. Yeah. And I thought like, what, what, like I felt awful. Yeah. My ears are ringing. I saw I’m like, what is going on here? And I don’t know if that was a sign of overtraining, but it certainly was my body’s way of going, no, we’re not doing this anymore. Dr. John (57m 38s): And I think that there are little signs tell you you’re you’re over-training I’m sure. Brad (57m 47s): I’m sure. Especially before the workout starts, I always knew when I was going, yeah. My head would knock around. It wouldn’t feel right. Yeah. You know, you just feel blah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Dr. John (57m 55s): There’s well, the San Francisco marathon, I’ve had some friends around that and I usually wait holding a cup of coffee cause I slept in, you know. Right, right. Just to see him as they cross the finish line and sometimes like the jibberish that comes out of their mouth, like they can’t function. Brad (58m 20s): Yeah. Dr. John (58m 20s): You know, like their, their head’s not there. Yeah. And whereas I know when I do work out with extreme, I have laser focus. Like I can go from my extra workout right. Into a meeting. I might be a little bit out of breath. Yeah. But I have no cognitive performance issues at all. Brad (58m 35s): So I guess you’re getting a optimal fight or flight spike of hormones during the workout. It’s over with in 10 minutes. And you’re returning to homeostasis and getting all these adaptive benefits rather than having those stress hormones become catabolic and destructive even to brain function. I know there’s a direct association. Dr. John (58m 57s): I wouldn’t say there’s a lot of stress hormone also. Brad (59m 1s): It’s not long enough to really believe in that. Dr. John (59m 8s): Well, I mean, cortisol and adrenaline are, are seen when you have those over-training issues, you know, an hour long workout. Yeah. You know, for 10 or 15 minute workout. Not really. Okay. No, I mean, I haven’t tested this with X three specifically, but I do know that people who do like a 10 minute workout, even with high intensity, like they’re doing just 10 minutes all out and then they’re done. Brad (59m 46s): No you’re sneaking in under the radar. Yeah. Yeah. It’s nice to know that you don’t, you don’t have that stress response. Dr. John (59m 49s): And this is why interval training. Like again, like people aren’t explaining the science either at all or not even close correctly, but it’s not a steady state heart rate thing. Yeah. So it doesn’t have the same cortisol up-regulation and suppression of growth hormone that a regular endurance training does. Yeah. So like, I, I think, you know, for people who don’t want to do strength training and you know, just want to be lean and not muscular. Dr. John (1h 0m 25s): Yeah. I intervals they’re cool. Okay. Yeah. Brad (1h 0m 23s): As long as you don’t go for an hour and 20 minute interval workout. Dr. John (1h 0m 32s): No, no, no. You do, you know, a couple like two minute bursts and then catch your breath in between. Yeah, yeah, yeah, sure. Yeah. That’s right. Yeah. I would if all I wanted to do was just drop body fat and didn’t care about musculature in any way. That would be a way to go now. Of course there’s high injury risk there. So yeah. Actually I take that back. I, I wouldn’t do that. I just do X Three because yeah. Dr. John (1h 1m 4s): The injury risk low. Yeah. Yeah. Brad (1h 1m 5s): Love it. Yeah. Dr. John Jaquish man, we hit it hard. Yeah. Fascinating insights. Thanks guys. So much. You’re out there on the cutting edge. And I think we’re compelled to listen. Even if it’s going against our rigid, fixed beliefs. Dr. John (1h 1m 16s): My whole life I’ve been going against the grain because 13 years ago developed the bone density, medical device osteo the founder, the Osteostrong clinics. And I was telling the whole pharmaceutical industry in bone density that they were wrong. And yeah, well, you know, while nobody ever like wrote me a letter and said, thank you for straightening us out. These people are brilliant. They’re the top minds in their field. And they’ve done incredible things with the biochemistry of the pharmaceuticals. Dr. John (1h 1m 49s): Even the ones that have a lot of side effects, they do the job and there’s applications, or even some of the higher risk drugs, you know, somebody in their like late nineties, you know, can they take the one that has some cancer? Yeah. Probably because time is probably going to get them before to answer. Does. Yeah. That’s exactly the logic when it comes to some of these prescriptions, like, you know, you would never give to teriparatide to a young person, but teriparatide to very elderly, very frail, like six negative six T score person. Dr. John (1h 2m 35s): Yeah. Yeah. That’s that sounds like it can ever teriparatide at least as far as what I’ve read and, and what I’ve learned at some of the conferences that I’ve, that I’ve been at. So, you know, they have their place, but I was, I was so against the grain, I was like probably the only guy to show up that was a speaker, you know, under like 50, you know? And I was like, in my thirties presenting this stuff and they just kind of looked at me like, yeah. Dr. John (1h 3m 9s): Then what the hell is this guy doing here? Like talking about exercise, like, Oh my God. Doesn’t do anything and well, in a way they’re right. Because they determined that 4.2 multiples of body weight is the minimum dosage to affect your hip joint, a force. Wow. 4.2 multiples your body weight. You’re not getting that. You’re not even getting that with weights. Right. You gotta do it’s it’s impact Brad (1h 3m 33s): Jump off the ground. Dr. John (1h 3m 38s): Yeah. Well, you know, you gotta jump off like a table again, right? Yeah. So actually you need to jump off something that’s higher than 15 and a half inches. I did the math. Brad (1h 3m 49s): Nice. Dr. John (1h 3m 49s): Yeah. Alright. Yeah. So, you know, you can send it to a kid and they’re like, Oh, jump off that. Yeah. But say that to somebody with osteoporosis, they will never do that. Right. That would be irresponsible completely. So, you know, that’s, that’s where the Osteostrong devices came from because it’s giving the benefit of high impact without the risks of high impact. And it was so against the grain. In fact, my PhD advisor told me if you had developed this after finishing your PhD, because I developed a first and then I went and did my PhD is if you said, if you, if you went and did your PhD and then try to develop this, you would talk yourself out of it. Dr. John (1h 4m 33s): You’d have never launched this product because it’s so different from the way the industry thinks. Now I don’t know if that’s true because I know my father’s developments were totally unconventional. You know, he designed and built a lunar Rover. Oh wow. Yeah, yeah. Him and seven other guys. So, you know, he was a NASA engineer and then he worked for a number of different engineering contractors that were developing really new cutting edge stuff. Dr. John (1h 5m 6s): So he always had an approach of like, don’t, you know, I think, I think what he would say to me is don’t think people are going down the right, look at the problem and think of anything else that might address that problem, then the way people are going. Wow. No great. Cause there might be, there might be a better answer there. That’s right. Yeah, yeah. Brad (1h 5m 33s): Right on man. Keep doing what you’re doing. Thanks everybody for watching, listening. Awesome. Thank you for listening to the show. We would love your feedback at getoveryourselfpodcast@gmail.com. And we would also love if you could leave a rating and a review on iTunes or wherever you listen to podcasts, I know it’s a hassle. You have to go to desktop iTunes, click on the tab that says ratings and reviews and then click to rate the show anywhere from five to five stars. 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